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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:34 pm to udtiger
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:34 pm to udtiger
Maybe it's just a curious case where what Nolan TOLD us about the fraud being investigated doesn't jive with the SEC. So I have the rules now:
1. When only lengthy exposition pushes plot = good, everything said MATTERS
2. When same lengthy exposition is could create plothole= ignore
1. When only lengthy exposition pushes plot = good, everything said MATTERS
2. When same lengthy exposition is could create plothole= ignore
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:35 pm to Polar Bear
Finally saw this movie this afternoon and it was a great end to the triology. I have no complaints
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:38 pm to Joe
I haven't read any of this thread besides the first page, but I've got one glaring mistake. When they're at the stock exchange it's like midday b/c the trader is ordering lunch and all of a sudden they're outside in a car/motorcycle chase at night. WTF
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:39 pm to theunknownknight
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Maybe it's just a curious case where what Nolan TOLD us about the fraud being investigated doesn't jive with the SEC
He never said the SEC would be doing the investigating. You're reaching... again.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:40 pm to Polar Bear
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The point is, for the last 20 or so pages, you've been on a rant, "SEC this, SEC that, the mighty SEC would have struck that down, etc", when in reality, you really seem to have no idea how any of it works.
And you let that go because YOU DIDN'T KNOW EITHER. Congrats on using someone elses research on the Internet. Now that has been established lets use Fox's words against him: Someone investigates. But...no one did in at least 5 months. I'd think the video cameras, automatic weapons, time stamp of the trade, and Bruce's whereabouts would be pretty easy to prove.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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He never said the SEC would be doing the investigating. You're reaching... again.
But he said someone was. That's a fact. I guess the next thing I'm suppose to believe (that again wasn't shown on screen) is that this investigator would be Mr. Bean.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:43 pm to theunknownknight
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And you let that go because YOU DIDN'T KNOW EITHER.
Of course. None of us knew. But it wasn't a big issue for us.
You were the one, however, making the argument. And you were wrong.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:44 pm to Polar Bear
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Now that has been established lets use Fox's words against him: Someone investigates. But...no one did in at least 5 months. I'd think the video cameras, automatic weapons, time stamp of the trade, and Bruce's whereabouts would be pretty easy to prove.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:44 pm to theunknownknight
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Now that has been established lets use Fox's words against him: Someone investigates. But...no one did in at least 5 months. I'd think the video cameras, automatic weapons, time stamp of the trade, and Bruce's whereabouts would be pretty easy to prove.
How about we use your idiotic logic instead. They didn't show it, so how would they have investigated? We were only told they would investigate, but never shown.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:44 pm to theunknownknight
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But he said someone was. That's a fact. I guess the next thing I'm suppose to believe that wasn't shown on screen that this investigator would be Mr. Bean.
He said they "may be able to prove fraud".
The CFTC regulates the futures exchange. They have 1/8th the manpower of the SEC. Once again, none of us know how long it would take such a small agency to investigate such a claim.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:45 pm to theunknownknight
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But he said someone was.
That someone could have been Batman for all you know. Look at that though, you're bending your rule to fit an argument to your advantage
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:48 pm to theunknownknight
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But...no one did in at least 5 months.
I feel like something happened during those five months that would have prevented an investigation ....
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:49 pm to Polar Bear
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The CFTC regulates the futures exchange. They have 1/8th the manpower of the SEC. Once again, none of us know how long it would take such a small agency to investigate such a claim.
Yes we do, Nolan TOLD us...months. It could also take days to flip your argument, or if there is any common sense in the CFTC, they'd see freaking Wall Street being taken over by freaking terrorists with freaking automatic weapons making a timestamped trade ON CAMERA worth billions and billions from one man's wealth and the investigation would take...minutes
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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I feel like something happened during those five months that would have prevented an investigation ....
Yeah........in Gotham. The rest of the country had plenty of time to figure what happened when they sat there the ENTIRE time with their collective thumbs up their asses
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:52 pm to theunknownknight
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Yes we do, Nolan TOLD us...months. It could also take days to flip your argument, or if there is any common sense in the CFTC, they'd see freaking Wall Street being taken over by freaking terrorists with freaking automatic weapons making a timestamped trade ON CAMERA worth billions and billions from one man's wealth and the investigation would take...minutes
Disregarding the fact that the city got taken over, which more than likely would put such an investigation on the back burner, it's laughable you think that encrypted trades (which Batman never gave to anyone else to analyze) would be reversed with any haste by a government entity.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:55 pm to LNCHBOX
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Disregarding the fact that the city got taken over, which more than likely would put such an investigation on the back burner, it's laughable you think that encrypted trades (which Batman never gave to anyone else to analyze) would be reversed with any haste by a government entity.
You're right, wall street trading would have automatically shut down as soon as the first Uzi passed through the door, so no investigation would be needed.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:57 pm to LNCHBOX
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more than likely would put such an investigation on the back burner
This was Bane's first public act before the take over, if anything, it would be the MOST SCRUTINIZED by investigators who were looking into his motivations
Posted on 7/24/12 at 5:00 pm to theunknownknight
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so no investigation would be needed.
Right, because that's what I said
Batman kept the encrypted list of trades with him. He made specific mention of not handing them to the police because they didn't have the tools to analyze it.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that no one knows which trades were done by Bane, because they were encrypted. That means that no one besides Batman knows that the trades made by Bane were the ones that cost Wayne his company. This encryption could also easily involve falsified time stamps.
All of this is easily derived from dialogue in the movie, and basically refutes your whole argument.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 5:00 pm to theunknownknight
This entire argument just amazes me. Nit-picking to the max.
Especially when an even more unbelievable scenario involving finances was featured in the beginning of TDK.
Especially when an even more unbelievable scenario involving finances was featured in the beginning of TDK.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 5:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that no one knows which trades were done by Bane, because they were encrypted. That means that no one besides Batman knows that the trades made by Bane were the ones that cost Wayne his company. This encryption could also easily involve falsified time stamps.
So Fox should have said "Wayne, you are forever broke, no way to get the money now, your UBER paranoid non trusting self has done you in, hey do me a favor, ignore this established paranoia and trust someone I've hidden very important facts from for eight years and hand over a possible nuke to this person. Thanks"
Do you know how Wayne's encryption would work...from a different computer...from a different network?
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 5:08 pm
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