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re: Most Sympathetic Villain in a Movie?
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:57 am to Leauxgan
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:57 am to Leauxgan
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has to be a fine line between those 2 words. I think everyone is sympathetic to a guy who just got arse raped.
i think a lot of responses are blurring the lines between antagonists that the audience can sympathize with and a protagonist (i assume thats what posters mean when they use the phrase anti-hero) that is unlikely due to them bending or breaking the rules of society (Denzel as John Q or Dexter as the protagonist in the series).
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:23 pm to rondo
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Not the villian in this movie.
While very much true, and knew this debate would arise over some of those "villains"..
Leon The Professional is an assassin, whom despite Gary Oldman as corrupt cop, along with his drug syndicate, being the true villains. Leon is a hitman, one willing to kill many innocent and honest SWAT cops fed to slaughter under Oldman's command, without hesitation..that is someone far from innocence.
Hollywood has went full tilt the last 30 years in turning the edgy bad guy into a movie's sympathetic hero in modern films..no longer it's good vs bad..but now an more edgy sophisticated..bad vs badder..out for some form of soul-saving redemption.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:43 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
So can a protagonist be a villain? I would say yes. But I am blurring the lines a little in this thread also listing people who are clear antagonist, but not really "villains".
For example:
Gaston- definitely the antagonist if you assume that Belle is the protagonist. But a "villain" like The Joker, no.
Hannibal Lector- Not the antagonist, but definitely a villain.
Count Mondego, Javert, Little Bill- all somewhat likeable, non-evil antagonists who were indeed more tragic or misguided than evil.
For example:
Gaston- definitely the antagonist if you assume that Belle is the protagonist. But a "villain" like The Joker, no.
Hannibal Lector- Not the antagonist, but definitely a villain.
Count Mondego, Javert, Little Bill- all somewhat likeable, non-evil antagonists who were indeed more tragic or misguided than evil.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:06 pm to alajones
quote:
So can a protagonist be a villain? I would say yes.
Wait wasn't this our argument all along? And didn't you have the opposite opinion then?
Not to rehash the shite, but now I am confused, haha.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:09 pm to Freauxzen
Michael Corleone.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:12 pm to Freauxzen
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Wait wasn't this our argument all along? And didn't you have the opposite opinion then?
I thought it was that Michael Corleone couldn't be the villain because you said he was the "hero".
Aww jeez.
quote:Maybe, I drink a lot of cough syrup. I can't remember everything.
And didn't you have the opposite opinion then?
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:13 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:Leon =/= a villian. clearly
Leon The Professional is an assassin, whom despite Gary Oldman as corrupt cop, along with his drug syndicate, being the true villains. Leon is a hitman, one willing to kill many innocent and honest SWAT cops fed to slaughter under Oldman's command, without hesitation..that is someone far from innocence.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:13 pm to constant cough
quote:Poking the fire...I like it.
Michael Corleone.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:14 pm to alajones
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I thought it was that Michael Corleone couldn't be the villain because you said he was the "hero".
Aww jeez.
Hahaha. No no, I'm clearly in the "he might be the protagonist, but he's not the hero" camp. Maybe we were on the same side. There are others here who believe the opposite.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:18 pm to Freauxzen
Really? Are you sure you weren't drinking or something that day? I remember you talking about Joseph Campbell and how Michael underwent "the change" so he was the hero. Maybe we were arguing about nothing. And you gave me this 11th grade English lesson on protagonists and antagonists.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:20 pm to alajones
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Really? Are you sure you weren't drinking or something that day? I remember you talking about Joseph Campbell and how Michael underwent "the change" so he was the hero. Maybe we were arguing about nothing. And you gave me this 11th grade English lesson on protagonists and antagonists.
That doesn't sound like me, I would have jsut sent you to Campbell, haha. Well he IS the protagonist and he does "change," but he isn't the hero. I've long separated those terms.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:20 pm to alajones
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Maybe we were arguing about nothing.
Isn't that what a message board is for?
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