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re: Making a Murderer - Part 2
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:38 pm to TXGunslinger10
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:38 pm to TXGunslinger10
Just finished part 2 last night. Zellner is a really good lawyer but even if she was his defense attorney the first time around he probably would've needed a couple million dollars to afford all these experts she now has. I know it's probably wrong to judge somebody on looks, mannerisms, etc but I get the feeling that if Kratz's computer was searched that fricker would be in prison right along with Avery. Before I ever got to the Scott Tadych stuff I thought he looked really shady, how every time he said something in an interview he would look over at Barbara, like he's either seeing if she agrees with what he said or gauging her reaction. It almost seemed like he was trying to make sure he didn't say the wrong thing. Avery and Dassey may be guilty but the behavior of the cops, the DA, all the way up to the courts and the AG are disturbing and downright scary.
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Isn't Dasseys lawyer who let him be interrogated for hours without representation and never challenged the admittance of said confession in court...now going to prison himself?
For stalking and harassing his female law clerk?
For stalking and harassing his female law clerk?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Well, Kachinsky did try to have it thrown out. I don't think he actively tried to screw over Dassey. Seems like that was just a side effect of his complete incompetence.
But yes, he's being charged and his upcoming trial could put him in prison for a few years.
But yes, he's being charged and his upcoming trial could put him in prison for a few years.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Maybe I remembered him saying he found no problems with the confession in the first doc.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:29 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I think he did say that to try defending what he did and did not do for Dassey, but unless I'm mistaken he did try to challenge it in court. Fox shut it down.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:38 pm to brmark70816
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I don't think that it was, but not sure what it would prove. His blood and DNA in the car is more than enough. Why would they need to plant the key if they already "planted" that evidence
Why would they need to plant evidence if they already planted other evidence?
Is that a an actual question, or are you trying to make an argument via a rhetorical question? If the latter, you failed.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:39 pm to brmark70816
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Now he made up a lot of other crap to muddy the waters.
Right...Brendan Dassey, the mastermind of intentional obfuscation. Sure guy.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:41 pm to brmark70816
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He should have cooperated with the police and told the truth from the jump
Right, cooperating with the police is always your best bet, said nobody, ever.
Also, what is the truth here? Do you know it?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 6:59 pm to VinegarStrokes
If you are really interested, the two forums on Reddit have the most info and they are at war with each other. One is just called "making a murderer" the other is "steve avery is guilty". Both are full of theories and gossip, but there are tons of useful info on there as well. They cover lots of the updates and new topics as they come up. Like Dasseys trip through the appeals process.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:15 pm to TXGunslinger10
Can someone save me the 5 pages and tell me if it’s worth the time to watch if I’ve seen the first one?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:36 pm to brmark70816
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brmark70816
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r/StevenAveryIsGuilty
Well, I think we now know where you get most of your information.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:37 pm to VinegarStrokes
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:18 am to dallastiger55
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Can someone save me the 5 pages and tell me if it’s worth the time to watch if I’ve seen the first one?
Yes easily. If anything you will understand how much of a badass his new attorney is. If he gets a new trial he will be freed on reasonable doubt. So much more new info. The cops didn't kill Theresa but they jumped at the chance to frame him. She has basically proved that.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:36 am to PortCityTiger24
Whether he's guilty or not...it just shows how much of a shite-show our criminal justice system is from social climbing prosecutors to corrupt cops to inadequate counsel (and that fricker was made a judge) to totally biased jury pool thanks to our wonderful media that is biased and slanted only for one thing - ratings.
Add in the Barry Sheck project and it shows that we convict a lot of innocent people because it's easy...and juries have a predisposition to believe the State and cops - let alone the Feds that have like a 98% conviction rate...it's absurd...people don't fight the Feds because juries think the government is beyond reproach.
I don't know if the guy did it but the arrest and subsequent trial were a sham.
Add in the Barry Sheck project and it shows that we convict a lot of innocent people because it's easy...and juries have a predisposition to believe the State and cops - let alone the Feds that have like a 98% conviction rate...it's absurd...people don't fight the Feds because juries think the government is beyond reproach.
I don't know if the guy did it but the arrest and subsequent trial were a sham.
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Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:08 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Yes easily. If anything you will understand how much of a badass his new attorney is. If he gets a new trial he will be freed on reasonable doubt. So much more new info. The cops didn't kill Theresa but they jumped at the chance to frame him. She has basically proved that.
No, she has not. She would have to prove that the police planted evidence, which she hasn't come close. Or that someone else committed the crime, once again hasn't happened. All she is showing is that the circumstances or chain of events are murky and questionable. In a case with destroyed, missing and tampered (by the killer) evidence, the circumstances, time line or theory of the crime does not matter. That is the law. She would need hard proof to gain another trial, even then he would lose.
Her only hope is to gain public sympathy through the media and try to get him pardoned. That's not happening either, people are catching on and nobody really believes that he is innocent..
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:46 pm to brmark70816
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Or that someone else committed the crime
No, she doesn't need to prove that. She needs to show that someone else had motive and opportunity, and that they are connected to the crime.
She stands a pretty good shot at getting him a new trial, and if that happens, I think you're going to end up disappointed.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 2:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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She needs to show that someone else had motive and opportunity, and that they are connected to the crime. She stands a pretty good shot at getting him a new trial, and if that happens, I think you're going to end up disappointed.
No, if she can prove that someone else did it, then I wouldn't be disappointed. I would be upset that someone else got away with it all of this time. That just isn't going to happen though. People have been examining and pouring over this case for over a decade. There isn't some smoking gun that everybody else missed. She is fishing for a technicality that will spring the guy. She isn't looking for the real killer. He is already in jail..
Posted on 10/28/18 at 3:31 pm to brmark70816
Finished it today.
3 takeaways that scream out the most:
1. How in the hell did the ex boyfriend have Halbach’s day planner on Nov. 3rd when an entry that coincided with an incoming phone call showed she had it in the car with her on the afternoon of her death with no room in the timeline for her to take it home?
Her car was found on the 5th.
2. LEO/Prosecutors clearly and intentionally held back and/or hid in plain sight evidence of Bobby Dassey’s creepy shite from the defense. That’s a huge Brady violation.
3. Dassey’s lawyer is cute.
3 takeaways that scream out the most:
1. How in the hell did the ex boyfriend have Halbach’s day planner on Nov. 3rd when an entry that coincided with an incoming phone call showed she had it in the car with her on the afternoon of her death with no room in the timeline for her to take it home?
Her car was found on the 5th.
2. LEO/Prosecutors clearly and intentionally held back and/or hid in plain sight evidence of Bobby Dassey’s creepy shite from the defense. That’s a huge Brady violation.
3. Dassey’s lawyer is cute.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 3:44 pm to brmark70816
She doesn't need a smoking gun, and she doesn't need to prove someone else did it. I said you'd be disappointed if she got a new trial, and she might. If she does that, maybe he'll get a fair shot this time around.
I don't know why it bothers you that she isn't looking for the real killer. The investigators and prosecution didn't bother with that the first go around and that didn't bother you.
I don't know why it bothers you that she isn't looking for the real killer. The investigators and prosecution didn't bother with that the first go around and that didn't bother you.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 3:45 pm to Scoop
LAw enforcement refusing to include the coroner in the Halbach investigation is a huge WTF to me. Talk about not smelling right. She claims she was threatened and intimidated into staying away from the case due to the Avery lawsuit. If her story is true (and she did end up resigning supposedly due to the intimidation and threats) then that is all kinds of motive to substantiate the defense claims of evidence planting and tampering and every other potential shading dealings by that fricking county.
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