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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:18 pm
Let's be real here.
This was a great movie about a hero that saved many of lives.
Let's also be realistic and understanding.
First off, why would you join the ARMED forces without the intention of having to carry a firearm, and or protect yourself.
Why would you allow a man to be the medic for your soldiers if he cannot defend himself to get to where a medic is needed.
You are placed into a war zone. If your purpose is to rescue men in a war zone, shouldn't you defend yourself to rescue your own allies?
If you just want to be a unarmed medic why wouldn't you just sign up to be the medic where all the wounded are taken?
Also if you were armed there is a possibility those that were injured would not have been injured?
An armed medic would have a weapon to protect and serve as needed.
I do respect the things this man has done, but why enlist into a position that requires certain duties if you are not willing to fulfill them.
I respect his intention, but can you respect the reality of this situation?
Who in their right mind would allow a medic to look after their men if he refuses to carry a weapon for self defense to take care of his own people?
Ultimately he is putting his own men into more risk by not being able to protect them while servicing them, also subjecting them to injury by not being able to fight back.
Too clear everything up, I do salute this man.
In reality he could have saved more lives by being armed.
This is just an observation.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:21 pm to
Ditto
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:23 pm to
I feel like all your questions are why the movie was made in the first place.

He wanted to serve his country and do his part but didn't believe in using a gun.

Don't get me wrong, if it weren't for the men beside him willing to use guns we'd be speaking Japanese and German by now.

But that doesn't take away that he was brave and was willing to lay down his life for his country and for the man beside him. Even if it meant not being able to defend himself.

ETA: Id say he served in his duties as a medic pretty well. It's not quite the equivalent of "Hey! I'd love to be a fighter pilot, but I refuse to fly"
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

"Hey! I'd love to be a fighter pilot, but I refuse to fly"


That is an extreme. But is it? What are the requirements to be a medic in the ARMED forces?
Is a medic not trained/required to shoot an enemy that is detrimental to his mission/duty?
In the movie they told him to take his medic badge off as that is a target.
That is basically saying I will be a police officer to protect the public, but I refuse to shoot anyone one that gets in the way of my duty.
Let's be real.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42218 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

Why would you allow a man to be the medic for your soldiers if he cannot defend himself to get to where a medic is needed. You are placed into a war zone. If your purpose is to rescue men in a war zone, shouldn't you defend yourself to rescue your own allies?

This was all answered during the trial. The military court was ok with it.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:41 pm to
quote:

Is a medic not trained/required to shoot an enemy that is detrimental to his mission/duty?


I've never served, so I can't speak to with 100% certainty. But I assume a medic's first duty is tending to the wounded on the battlefield and actually fighting the enemy is a distant second.

Again, it may just be film... but how many medics have you seen pick up a weapon and fight the enemy in all of TV and cinema? I assume it's happened plenty of times in real life, but there is a reason its rare on film and I assume it's because it's not mission #1 for medics.

Again, it's not like he signed up to be a machine gunner knowing he wouldn't fire a weapon.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

This was all answered during the trial. The military court was ok with it.


I do not care what the "military court" says is OK. The government says many of things are "OK" when they are absolutely not.
Why would you assign a man to a battalion that is not properly equipped to help them.

That is like giving a man a job as a chef without any hands. Let's not be stubborn
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:44 pm to
quote:



I do not care what the "military court" says is OK. The government says many of things are "OK" when they are absolutely not.
Why would you assign a man to a battalion that is not properly equipped to help them.

That is like giving a man a job as a chef without any hands. Let's not be stubborn


He saved 75 people. You don't think he was equipped to help them?
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42218 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

Why would you assign a man to a battalion that is not properly equipped to help them.

Obviously the court believed he was properly equipped to help his battalion. I think they were proven to be right. Why is your opinion worth more than their's?
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

. but how many medics have you seen pick up a weapon and fight the enemy in all of TV and cinema? I assume it's happened plenty of times in real life, but it's not mission #1.


In cinema? When Batman was flying wouldn't that be cinema? Have you ever heard of dramatization?
Have you personally seen batman fly?
Do you think everything in a "based on true story" film is a 100% accurate? It is "based" on a true story." Not a "true story."
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:49 pm to
The court felt compelled to accept him enlisting.
Please find me actually documents of a corporal giving a soldier that refuses to be armed to be the medic of his batallion. I will come over an personally get on my knees.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:50 pm to
So, you're trying to use Batman to argue my point that medics are rarely seen on cinema using weapons because I argue their first priority isn't to fight the enemy, but to help the wounded?

quote:

Not a "true story."


By the way, Desmond Doss saved 75 soldiers and earned the Medal of Honor without using a gun.

True story.
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:53 pm to
I never said his accomplishments were not "true." I said the film was dramatized, just like most films based on a true story. Please go re read my first post. I commend this man.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42218 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:54 pm to
His captain and drill sergeant didn't approve of him not having a gun and tried to throw him out of the army. The generals or whoever ran the court said it was ok. Obviously they outrank his immediate superior officers so their opinion is the one that counts.
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:56 pm to
quote:



He saved 75 people. You don't think he was equipped to help them?


Have you ever heard of being "lucky"?
You honestly think running through a war zone with a body on your back is purely skill, with 75 different occurrences?
I am not discrediting him, but let's be realistic.
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:58 pm to
Please run through a war zone (without a body), 75 times without a gun, and tell me how you do.
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

on cinema

My point exactly.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 10:03 pm
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

You honestly think running through a war zone with a body on your back is purely skill,


You know he was wounded multiple times right? To the point that Mel Gibson actually left some of reality out because it what really happened would have seemed to unrealistic to movie goers.
Posted by sprig
South Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:27 pm to
You made my point even more sound.
There is skill involved.
I am not in the military but I am almost positive it takes more than skill to skirmish through a war zone with gun wounds and no weapon.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:44 pm to
I think you are bitching just to have something to bitch about my the movie was awesome and Doss was a true badass.
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