re: Girls on HBO (I don't get the hype?)

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HBO keeps shows like this around to win awards until people realize they suck, and then the critics move onto the next show

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Wow, like many other things, you sure do have the entertainment industry figured out. They like awards and audiences. They aren't under the same kind of pressure, however, as the traditional networks. So HBO can have a collection of shows that appeal to smaller audience groups. Although it needs is a steady number of subscribers to make money.

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i don't find a show that repeatedly shows ugly people naked as entertaining, either

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Well, I don't particularly enjoy looking at "ugly" naked people either, but I kind of think there's more tot he show than that.

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and i absolutely hate the societal reaction that she's brave or this is changing some sort of societal norm. that's utter bullshite

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So your problem would be with society and more than the show?

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and why bring up GoT when True Blood is utter shite (and very popular)? GoT is a solid show

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I'm with you on True Blood. Would have been a better example. I've never watched a full episode of GoT and have never read the source material.

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how is it not?

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If it's pushing and agenda, it's "preaching to the choir" as far as its target audience is concerned. It doesn't have to push anything.

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these types of people

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these types of people

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people who refuse to recognize their mediocrity and believe there is something noble (dare i say culture) in refusing to realize they're not going to succeed in what they think they should be doing and getting a fricking job and stop living in squalor

like that one guy said last episode...he's a loser. they're all fricking losers. marnie is even mocked for getting a job b/c it doesn't fit into their shitty niche expectations of continuing their insanity

like i said, if you watch girls, as i do, as a view of a bunch of horrible people failing (and laughing at their failures, both as characters and as a show), then it can be somewhat enjoyable

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And the audience is supposed to recognize it as being fricked up.

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i don't believe so. the whole basis for shows like this is that noble concept the characters are following

there is a reason they allowed his character to call himself a loser to the naive arechetype

compare that to jessa, who was basically the biggest count ever and may have surpassed hannah as the worst person ever. how did they handle her absolutely horrible behavior? by giving her the sympathetic bath tub scene

if they really wanted to punish her horribleness, she'd have had to explained how she basically acted like a super bitch just to do it and then fricked over a person who was nothing but nice to her. she'd be ostracized and not comforted/accepted

who is actually ostracized and made to look bad? marnie, who didn't even do anything wrong (i mean fricking the gay guy)

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Just like Seinfeld did with its hateful people (and they were . . . writers made a point of it). Or Curb Your Enthusiasm. Both of which, admittedly, are far superior shows.

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well the fact that they're actually funny helps

but both of those shows basically are based upon a stated premise that their main characters are selfish/bad people in an attempt to use them to showcase the stupidity of social customs. you can only do that with a character who is so selfish he truly doesn't give a frick

and nobody in curb is as useless as these girls. both shows have characters who were in similar struggles and they talk about how they had to work work work to succeed

the character who is most similar to the girls characters is kramer, who was constantly mocked for being that type of person. kramer was a loser and a leech, and his character was only redeemed b/c he did do stuff to help them out. george was a loser b/c he couldn't hold a job, not a noble person trying to find that perfect job.

the way the shows present losers is completely different. seinfeld openly mocked them, while girls celebrates them and comforts them after they do horrible shite. and they punish the one character who tries to better itself

Okay, I've now taken the position that I don't care.

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But now that I can laugh at these miserable people for failing, well, that is something I do enjoy haha

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just remember that hannah is the worst person ever, except jessa may be approaching that level of being an absolutely shitty and ignorant person

I love it.

I think it's hysterical.

And I don't think you are supposed to like or root for Hannah. It's a lot like Louis CK on Louie.

I try to watch it because my wife likes it and I love hbo Sunday nights but I constantly find myself getting on my phone and reading this board.

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Louie is a really good person who hates himself

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He does a lot of shitty stuff to be a really good person.

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He does a lot of shitty stuff to be a really good person.

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like what?

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He generally talks about his children like they are gigantic wastes of air, for one.

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that's his stand up though, not his actual actions

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But I wouldn't put Louie in the "good guy" realm. He's kinda fricked up and putz-y... intentionally so.

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his character often goes out of his way to do good things for people. he just hates himself

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I'm not sure you are supposed to like Hannah. In fact, I'm pretty sure you aren't.

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she is basically the worst person in the world. she's selfish, she rarely ever does anything not for herself, she's lazy, she's fat, she's a whore, she refuses to learn anything about herself, she's completely judgmental, etc etc