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Defending Jacob (Spoilers)
Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:40 pm
So, the wife and I caught up on this series yesterday. I wanted to discuss spoilers from the people that have read the book. The wife can’t stand not knowing so she googled the plot from the book and informed me that the intention of the show is to be different from the book.
From what I know from the book (spoilers):
So, apparently in the book, the grandfather hires someone to kill the child molestor and stage it as a suicide with a confession letter. Jacob gets his charges dropped and the family takes a vacation to Jamaica.
Jacob befriends a girl and she ends up missing. The mom finds blood on Jacob’s swim suit, and believes he is capable of murder. I even think the girls body shows up. So, the mom takes him for a ride, wrecks the car and kills Jacob.
With one episode left in the series, we’re at the part where the child molester is writing the suicide note. So, the show is different from that aspect.
What else is different from the book?
From what I know from the book (spoilers):
So, apparently in the book, the grandfather hires someone to kill the child molestor and stage it as a suicide with a confession letter. Jacob gets his charges dropped and the family takes a vacation to Jamaica.
Jacob befriends a girl and she ends up missing. The mom finds blood on Jacob’s swim suit, and believes he is capable of murder. I even think the girls body shows up. So, the mom takes him for a ride, wrecks the car and kills Jacob.
With one episode left in the series, we’re at the part where the child molester is writing the suicide note. So, the show is different from that aspect.
What else is different from the book?
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 7:09 pm to finchmeister08
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The wife can’t stand not knowing so she googled the plot from the book and informed me that the intention of the show is to be different from the book.
I suspect they may have said that to draw in more viewers. We will find out next Friday.
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So, apparently in the book, the grandfather hires someone to kill the child molestor and stage it as a suicide with a confession letter. Jacob gets his charges dropped and the family takes a vacation to Jamaica.
(Spoilers)
Basically happened that way, but I think the book tries and leaves you with slight doubt. Not enough to say Patz did it, but do you believe the story or not. It seems to point that way but the book never confirms it happened that way. Edit: that Patz didn’t kill Ben and was killed by someone else.
The show so far doesn’t stray from that direction. All we see is Patz writing the confession, we don’t know if someone else is in the room threatening him. The investigators checked the handwriting and it matched so in the book Patz wrote the note.
The rest you brought up will happen (or not) in series finale. I suspect they won’t go to far from the book based on what I’ve seen so far.
I haven’t read the book in a couple years so I may miss some differences, but going back and looking at it there are lots of similarities.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:01 pm to finchmeister08
Is this show over? Looks right up my alley but I think the apple + free trial only lasts a week
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:30 pm to ClampClampington
Show is still running.
Wife and I have really enjoyed the series
Wife and I have really enjoyed the series
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
Thanks. looks like next week the final one drops so we’re starting it now. Been waiting for this one
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:02 pm to ClampClampington
Bump for the final episode
Final episode spoilers if you haven’t watched it yet.
The book and the series basically follow each other with a couple of notable exceptions.
Hope isn’t found dead weeks after she disappeared, she ended up going out with some guy and never came home, parent’s overreacted.
The series goes beyond what happened in the book. It is never revealed if the mother gets indicted or not in the book. They reveal in the series that she wasn’t indicted.
I guess you could also say that Jacob lives in the series but not the book. If you call in a coma, maybe brain dead, living.
Overall the book and the series while different in some details, is basically the same at-least in it’s intention, IMO.
The book seeks to ask the question. If your son/daughter was accused of murder how far would you go to protect him/her and would you believe him no matter what he said or what came out in trial. The book also focuses on how the family lived the drama of their son being accused of murdering his classmate.
The series isn’t much different and doesn’t try and stray from the book in it’s basic idea.
Overall I thought it was a good show, it’s didn’t help I knew the ending before it happened (as in I read the book) but the show could have been better.
Final episode spoilers if you haven’t watched it yet.
The book and the series basically follow each other with a couple of notable exceptions.
Hope isn’t found dead weeks after she disappeared, she ended up going out with some guy and never came home, parent’s overreacted.
The series goes beyond what happened in the book. It is never revealed if the mother gets indicted or not in the book. They reveal in the series that she wasn’t indicted.
I guess you could also say that Jacob lives in the series but not the book. If you call in a coma, maybe brain dead, living.
Overall the book and the series while different in some details, is basically the same at-least in it’s intention, IMO.
The book seeks to ask the question. If your son/daughter was accused of murder how far would you go to protect him/her and would you believe him no matter what he said or what came out in trial. The book also focuses on how the family lived the drama of their son being accused of murdering his classmate.
The series isn’t much different and doesn’t try and stray from the book in it’s basic idea.
Overall I thought it was a good show, it’s didn’t help I knew the ending before it happened (as in I read the book) but the show could have been better.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 7:28 pm to catholictigerfan
I thought it was a pretty good show.
I've never read the book, so the last episode threw me for a couple loops. My theory thru the show was that Jacob would somehow be exonerated at trial and then admit to his parents. I initially thought the one off scenes of the dad and the prosecutor was being too obvious that Jacob would go on to kill again, but that ended up being somewhat of a smokescreen.
I don't think I would have made the change with Hope's character from the book. I think knowing at that point that her son is almost without a doubt a serial killer and the thought of having to go to trial again (or at least I'm assuming he's suspected in Hope's death in the book) would make Lori's breakdown a little more believable, since it was never proven to anyone that Jacob killed Ben in the first place.
But overall, I'd give it an 7/10
I've never read the book, so the last episode threw me for a couple loops. My theory thru the show was that Jacob would somehow be exonerated at trial and then admit to his parents. I initially thought the one off scenes of the dad and the prosecutor was being too obvious that Jacob would go on to kill again, but that ended up being somewhat of a smokescreen.
I don't think I would have made the change with Hope's character from the book. I think knowing at that point that her son is almost without a doubt a serial killer and the thought of having to go to trial again (or at least I'm assuming he's suspected in Hope's death in the book) would make Lori's breakdown a little more believable, since it was never proven to anyone that Jacob killed Ben in the first place.
But overall, I'd give it an 7/10
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 8:06 pm to ClampClampington
My biggest hang up is how they Already had his prints on file.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 8:38 pm to Scooby
I didn't catch that. I thought the trial in general was a bit ridiculous. Maybe I wasn't watching close enough at the beginning, but the whole Patz story seemed random.
From what I remember, he was really only being seriously investigated by the dad. Pretty much all of the evidence points straight to Jacob, seems like the prosecution has him dead to rights. Then this random Patz guy writes a confession, kills himself, and within hours the judge has already declared the case closed and Jacob's innocence? Seems like the police would at least attempt to corroborate Patz' confession
From what I remember, he was really only being seriously investigated by the dad. Pretty much all of the evidence points straight to Jacob, seems like the prosecution has him dead to rights. Then this random Patz guy writes a confession, kills himself, and within hours the judge has already declared the case closed and Jacob's innocence? Seems like the police would at least attempt to corroborate Patz' confession
Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:41 pm to finchmeister08
Considering we are still on page 1 from a series ending 2 weeks ago I’m assuming most didn’t watch. My SIL pushed this show hard and I just finished the last two episodes.
I never read the book but here are a few questions:
Why they never brought up the knife found at the crime scene
How they had an entire criminal trial over a finger print and circumstantial evidence (pre trial discovery)
Why Andy, an ADA, got rid of the knife. Criminal law 101, even if you’re a defense attorney.
What the purpose of the therapist was. I get the defense was hoping he wouldn’t have the “murder gene” defense but that story line ended with a thud based on one therapists opinion
They did a great job at building the anticipation and a few curveball story lines (without having read the books prior).
8/10 for the show as a whole. Story has some questionable holes but I was still captivated by the story through the last few minutes. Wife is pure psycho.
I never read the book but here are a few questions:
Why they never brought up the knife found at the crime scene
How they had an entire criminal trial over a finger print and circumstantial evidence (pre trial discovery)
Why Andy, an ADA, got rid of the knife. Criminal law 101, even if you’re a defense attorney.
What the purpose of the therapist was. I get the defense was hoping he wouldn’t have the “murder gene” defense but that story line ended with a thud based on one therapists opinion
They did a great job at building the anticipation and a few curveball story lines (without having read the books prior).
8/10 for the show as a whole. Story has some questionable holes but I was still captivated by the story through the last few minutes. Wife is pure psycho.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:11 am to Rendevoustavern
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Why they never brought up the knife found at the crime scene
they did. it wasn't the one used in the crime.
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Why Andy, an ADA, got rid of the knife.
because he found it in his son's room. what would you do?
Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:53 am to ClampClampington
quote:Patz was brought to Andy's attention by Pam Duffy since he was a convicted sex offender living in the area. Patz was interviewed before Jacob was considered the prime suspect, and Andy had a feeling Patz wasn't telling the truth during his interview. He seemed nervous, but the interview got cut short by his lawyer. Andy just kept pursuing the Patz angle in order to clear his son, but that was after he was removed from the case. Duffy had doubts as well, which is why she gave Patz's file to Andy.
but the whole Patz story seemed random.
From what I remember, he was really only being seriously investigated by the dad.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:58 am to finchmeister08
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wasn't the one
I clearly missed this.
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what would you do?
Speaking from my couch, logically as an ADA, examine the knife. Prior to the search warrant, could have gotten some tools to see if the knife had any blood or bleach/cleaner residue.
As a parent, I'd probably have done the same but you know that regardless of the results, you don't want to know - but know that it will eventually kill you not knowing
Posted on 6/17/20 at 12:04 pm to catholictigerfan
Hope’s death and the blood stain on Jacob’s shorts is pretty much what convinced Laurie that he was a killer and would likely kill again. I’m not sure why the writers of the series changed that plot point and had her live, except to cast further doubt on whether or not Jacob was a murderer. In the end, Laurie came to the same conclusion in both the novel and the series.
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