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re: Breaking Bad S1 E1 question *spoilerish*
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:56 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:56 am to 13SaintTiger
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His brother has a better idea of how to help him than anyone else can. Once again, this isn't about holes,
they why are you bring it up and why do you keep saying there are plot holes if it's not about finding holes? If you want alternative actions write your own show
Anyway, you are suggesting as an alternative to what he did, he should call his BIL at lie about being kidnapped. While I agree that is who he most likely would/should call in such a scenario, his BIL IS NOT THE ONLY Law Enforcement officer not the DEA the ONLY agency he would have to talk to. They also would not just end the matter right there. If he's claiming to be kidnapped, then someone (Jesse) would be arrested and his story would be heard and investigated and since, in this case Jesse is not the one lying, Walt's story would unravel pretty quick.
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:56 am to LSUSoulja08
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quit feeding this idiot troll you guys, it's pretty clear what he's doing
Everyone is a troll nowadays
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:57 am to 13SaintTiger
Walter knows his DEA brother is strictly by the book, hard nosed and sh*t. He had just taken him on a ride along where they busted one cat, was looking for the other cat, and turns out the other one was an informant for the brother! In Walts mind, Hank would have questioned what the hell Walt was doing being kidnapped by these people. He's a chemistry teacher hanging out with a bunch of meth dealers. That would seem a bit odd and considering Walt asked to ride along to bust these guys would have been too much of a coincidence. And he wouldn't have been able to keep the money, in his mind, he worked so hard for.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:00 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Maybe the OP should put this show aside after three episodes. Not every show is for everyone.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:00 am to H-Town Tiger
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they why are you bring it up and why do you keep saying there are plot holes if it's not about finding holes? If you want alternative actions write your own show
I didn't not say there were hole in that scene, I merely said there were holes with what transpired after that episode. Do you disagree? The only reason I even bought that up is because many of you are acting like what I'm presenting is out of the realm of possibility.
I don't "want" anything, I'm discussing an idea.
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Anyway, you are suggesting as an alternative to what he did, he should call his BIL at lie about being kidnapped. While I agree that is who he most likely would/should call in such a scenario, his BIL IS NOT THE ONLY Law Enforcement officer not the DEA the ONLY agency he would have to talk to. They also would not just end the matter right there. If he's claiming to be kidnapped, then someone (Jesse) would be arrested and his story would be heard and investigated and since, in this case Jesse is not the one lying, Walt's story would unravel pretty quick.
Okay? I don't understand your point. He had, at that point, no other options. No matter what story he had to tell and who he had to deal with it isn't unrealistic to leave his fate up to his brother-in-law's advice.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:02 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Walter knows his DEA brother is strictly by the book, hard nosed and sh*t. He had just taken him on a ride along where they busted one cat, was looking for the other cat, and turns out the other one was an informant for the brother! In Walts mind, Hank would have questioned what the hell Walt was doing being kidnapped by these people. He's a chemistry teacher hanging out with a bunch of meth dealers. That would seem a bit odd and considering Walt asked to ride along to bust these guys would have been too much of a coincidence. And he wouldn't have been able to keep the money, in his mind, he worked so hard for.
Thank you for your reply. Seems like the most logical explanation to discount my theory thus far
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:03 am to 13SaintTiger
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Except I never said it was a plot hole, I said it wouldn't be unrealistic for him to do so.
ok, so now you are changing your story, quibbling with semantics.
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No one knows that but him and his doctor
EXACTLY. So Why would it be "unrealistic" for a guy who thinks he only has a few months to live, that decided he could sell some meth to get quick cash for his family to contemplate suicide after killing a guy (or he thinks 2 at that point iirc) and thinking he's about to be busted with a rolling meth lab? Seems to me, calling is DEA BIL with a story about being kidnapped so that he can get out if it is much more unrealistic.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:06 am to 13SaintTiger
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Everyone is a snitch nowadays
fify...apparently.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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ok, so now you are changing your story, quibbling with semantics.
Maybe you should reread the thread.
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EXACTLY. So Why would it be "unrealistic" for a guy who thinks he only has a few months to live, that decided he could sell some meth to get quick cash for his family to contemplate suicide after killing a guy (or he thinks 2 at that point iirc) and thinking he's about to be busted with a rolling meth lab? Seems to me, calling is DEA BIL with a story about being kidnapped so that he can get out if it is much more unrealistic.
I never said what is quoted above is unrealistic. You are making up your own argument.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:08 am to SEClint
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fify...apparently
Jesse did rat out Walter, which is why he was in the predicament in the first place.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:09 am to 13SaintTiger
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Okay? I don't understand your point
if he calls his BIL with a fake story about being kidnapped, other LE agencies would have to get involved and since his story would be not just fake but also not planned in advance, it would quickly unravel, so he would be exposed and hence arrested and therefore spending what he thought would be the last months of his life in jail/on trail.
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o matter what story he had to tell and who he had to deal with it isn't unrealistic to leave his fate up to his brother-in-law's advice.
yes, it is unrealistic to think a "smart" man who ventured into a serious crime in order to provide some quick and illegal cash for his family since he thinks he is about to die would lie to a DEA agent and somehow trust said DEA agent would be able to protect him or advise him in a way to get away with it. Rather than shot himself.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:13 am to Breesus
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what does that have to do wit anytnig?
read the rest of the thread. the op is suggesting because his BIL is in the DEA that his story about being kidnapped would be believed. Sure, Hank would take his word for it at first, but the DEA doesn't investigate kidnappings, the local police and FBI do and they would, in fact, question not just Hank, but the alleged kidnapper and investigate various scenes to build a case.
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And he still wanted to cook meth.
right, something the OP is ignoring
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:13 am to H-Town Tiger
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Rather than shot himself.
Why do you keep bringing this up? Where is the argument in this?
As to the rest, so he's willing to leave his fate up to a frick up in Jesse, but not his brother in law? I'll say it again, friends and family get people out of charges or control damage all the time in real life, whether it be rape, murder, robbery, drugs, etc. so no, the reasons you mention doesn't make it "unrealistic".
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:16 am to H-Town Tiger
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read the rest of the thread. the op is suggesting because his BIL is in the DEA that his story about being kidnapped would be believed. Sure, Hank would take his word for it at first, but the DEA doesn't investigate kidnappings, the local police and FBI do and they would, in fact, question not just Hank, but the alleged kidnapper and investigate various scenes to build a case.
You are conveniently, or intentionally, discounting the human element in all of this. I'm confident my brother, if he was a dea agent, or any leo would advise me on what the right thing to do is while trying to reduce the damage. Even if that means telling the truth.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:16 am to 13SaintTiger
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Jesse did rat out Walter, which is why he was in the predicament in the first place.
That took a lot of fricking over..but youre still talking about episode 1 right? Only people Jesse talked to were fellow dealers which they scored some money from and also subtracted.
It actually would have been an effective mid season 2 plan with an early season 5 mentality to take them out, had it actually been a plan. Bring them alone and overconfident to the middle of nowhere, and then subtract them.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:19 am to SEClint
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That took a lot of fricking over..but youre still talking about episode 1 right? Only people Jesse talked to were fellow dealers which they scored some money from and also subtracted.
Yea, this is my first watch. In my eyes, Jesse threatened Walter's life. Not to say Walter is without blame for coming to him in the first place but still.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:29 am to 13SaintTiger
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Why do you keep bringing this up? Where is the argument in this?
because you said this in response to a question about why the FD passing him by is unrealistic
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Nothing. That isn't the point though, the point is Walter felt he had no way out, he tried to kill himself.
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As to the rest, so he's willing to leave his fate up to a frick up in Jesse, but not his brother in law? I'll say it again, friends and family get people out of charges or control damage all the time in real life, whether it be rape, murder, robbery, drugs, etc. so no, the reasons you mention doesn't make it "unrealistic".
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You are conveniently, or intentionally, discounting the human element in all of this. I'm confident my brother, if he was a dea agent, or any leo would advise me on what the right thing to do is while trying to reduce the damage. Even if that means telling the truth.
Jesus
Like I said, write your own show if that's what you think should have happened. The show is about a guy who gets cancer, thinks he has a short time to live and decides to sell meth to get some quick cash for his family. He's not looking for advise on how to get out of a bad situation, he is in fact trying to get away with a serious crime and is even willing to kill to do so, why he'd think it was better to call his BIL is beyond me. The best advise his BIL would give is to get a lawyer and come clean.
But If his BIL was dirty enough to help him get away with a fake kidnapping and railroad someone else, then why wouldn't he think Hank could just help him sell a quick batch of meth to get the cash?
I'm out but please post when you get your own show
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:33 am to 13SaintTiger
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In my eyes, Jesse threatened Walter's life. Not to say Walter is without blame for coming to him in the first place but still.
If they were going to be partners, and cooking together Jesse more or less seemed to figure it was ok to introduce. He had no idea the guy had seen Walter at the dope house. We, as an audience didn't actually see Emilio seeing Walter either.
It was a learning curve for both, and learning is all about trying to never make the same mistake twice.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:37 am to SEClint
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they were going to be partners, and cooking together Jesse more or less seemed to figure it was ok to introduce. He had no idea the guy had seen Walter at the dope house. We, as an audience didn't actually see Emilio seeing Walter either.
It was a learning curve for both, and learning is all about trying to never make the same mistake twice.
True on all accounts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:38 am to 13SaintTiger
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So why didn't the writers have Walter call his brother-in-law and fake being kidnapped or something of that nature when everything happened at the end of the episode?
Perhaps because he is smarter than you and realizes that he would have a very hard time covering up the stolen implements from the chemistry lab and the other evidence like cell phone records, etc. that Jesse would certainly provide to LEO to corroborate his true version of events.
You just mentioned it is your first watch. Realize this a look into the future. There are many reasons for the events to unfold as witnessed that will be revealed to you as you watch.
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