re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th

So taking a showmance to the final four/three is a mistake? Who knew.

Congrats to Nicole on winning AFP. Cliff is going to be pissed that carrying an owl around all season didn’t win him anything.

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Letting a showmnce go to F2(Jackson/Holly) is no different then letting 2 alliance members go to F2(Nicole/Cliff).

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Yes it is when that alliance of two had a chance to break up the showmance in final five and instead chose to broker stupid deals and believe in bullshite agreements.

Comp wise Cliff/Nicole were going up against two physical players, both on the same page, in a situation where the weakling and the old man had to win against them to survive. It was a dumb call and that's proving to be true now with Cliff in jury and Nicole finishing third.

In order for Nicole to win she was going to have to win 2/3 of the final HOHs plus the final veto if she wanted to take Cliff. That was her only chance and that was never going to happen against Jackson/Holly.


Would Tommy have turned on them had he stayed and won HOH/veto? Possibly but at least there's a bit of hope instead of certainty about who Jackson or Holly would take should it come down to it.

The twitter whining over Jackson and Holly is hilarious. Jackson isn’t likable but damn these people are pussies. Evil Dick is such a bitch.

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I have come to the conclusion over the years that the winner always deserves to win, whether I agree or not. Jury management is a huge part of the game. If the house fills up with people who would rather vote for Hitler than you then you failed at playing the best game, even if you win every single competition you play in.

If one fails to get the votes necessary to win it is impossible to argue they played the best game given the particular cast. They might have gotten my vote and they may have gotten yours but those aren't the votes they are playing for. The one wildcard one can argue against this is production's help. It certainly exists and is fair game for an argument, in this case, nobody can argue production was against Jackson this season.

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That is a great and refreshing take.

I’ve felt the same forever but just haven’t articulated it like that.



I think it still remains to be seen how jury will go, which means it’s unclear how good Jackson’s game has been.

I think either Cliff or Nicole would have beaten Jackson pretty easily but Holly is s different case. She’s so closely associated with him that the jury really may give Jackson the nod since there isn’t a clear “good guy” going against him.


At this point I’d think the votes go like this:

Holly: Kat, Jess, Christie, Sis

Jackson: Nick, Jack, Nicole, Cliff (I think ultimately Nic and Cliff vote on game and they actually both seemed closer to Jackson than Holly anyway. Those two were actually real relationships he formed and Holly never seemed as interested in them)


Deciding vote: Tommy


I think Tommy is actually likely to go for Jackson once it’s all said and done. Even as he was being thrown under the bus he said many times that he respected it and was impressed by the move.


My biggest concern with Jackson will be his awkwardness when talking to the jury. He tends to be very dry and unintentionally condescending imo because he doesn’t know how to talk to people.

If he rubs especially Cliff Nicole or Tommy the wrong way he could lose it there. He needs to be a little humble, show love to everyone instead of bitterness or arrogance and I think he’ll win.


His jury management isn’t over, after all.


Paul, for instance, totally shite the bed on jury management throughout the game, and made it even worse at F2. His inability to own the game he played is what lost it for him.

Will be interesting to see if Jackson can stick the landing with the jury at the last minute.

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I don’t disagree with her but the host of the round table portion shouldn’t be openly stating who she thinks should win/have her vote before hosting.

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Agreed.

I love you Jessica, but you’ve been a very very bad girl. Time for punishment

Hopefully Jackson walks up to Evel Dick and punches him in his fat SJW mouth. That coward deserves to have his teeth knocked down his throat.

Doesn’t matter if he’s right, wrong, or indifferent. Evel Dick talks way too much shite and is a coward. He’s long overdue for a slap to the mouth.

Evel Dick is a SJW. Go look at his twitter feed. He is a woke, white savior.

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Yeah he’s a huge hypocrite. Did he not bully the hell out of Jen on his season?

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Right. Evel Dick was/is a bully and he’s a terrible father.

He has a valid point. Production has long interfered too much in this show. Way back to his season.