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re: A League of Their Own (the great debate)
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:30 pm to drake20
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:30 pm to drake20
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players aren't gonna be doing splits and catching balls with their hat either
She was making a show to save the league. Just because that is improbable doesn't mean the movie's creators wanted you to suspend belief in reality and assume that Dottie was infallible. If that's the case, then there would be no drama to be had at all. The drama when Kit rounded 3rd wasn't, "Oh my God, is Dottie going to let her score?" The drama was, "Holy shite, Kit blew threw the sign when she is clearly pegged, who is going to win the collision at the plate?"
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Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:35 pm to drake20
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the best support for this imo was at the end when after the game dottie reiterated to Kit, "lay off the high ones". it was a reference back to the beginning and to what just happened...Kit had clearly just hit an inside the park game winning home run on a high one...
What?
You guys always use some obscure moment that has nothing to do with the context of the game. Dottie said "lay off the high ones" because it's something she had been saying to Kit since they were back home on the farm. It was a loving and cordial banter to show that there was no hard feelings. Dottie was legitimately happy for Kit to see her finally succeed. And it's humorous because Kit disobeyed her advice and it not "laying off the ones" and doing her own thing actually made her a hero. It was ironic. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING in their post-game exchange can be used as any kind of legitimate support for her throwing the game.
If that's your best evidence, you have no case my man.
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:42 pm to ChewyDante
she didn't make any baseball mistakes in the movie...she caught a baseball with her bare hand ...she was lebron playing against high school kids. she had the play.
she was so happy when she lost...i get being happy for Kit, but not even a moment of "damn it, we lost:...Kit had to know Dottie was telling the pitcher to throw her high fast ones, because like you said, that was their thing, and it was Kit's weakness.
...she was lebron playing against high school kids. she had the play. she was so happy when she lost...i get being happy for Kit, but not even a moment of "damn it, we lost:...Kit had to know Dottie was telling the pitcher to throw her high fast ones, because like you said, that was their thing, and it was Kit's weakness.
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:53 pm to drake20
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she didn't make any baseball mistakes in the movie...
Dude, it's a 2 hour movie. You think she batted 1.000 and never had a base stolen on her? You aren't seeing every at bat of the season. I think it is common sense that you are to assume the people in the movie are to be viewed under the same context as real life unless otherwise explicitly indicated.
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she was so happy when she lost...
Again, I have no idea how you've concluded this. Because she looked over with a smile when she saw how excited Kit was and how you got the hero treatment? I guess Dugan was happy he lost too, right?
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i get being happy for Kit, but not even a moment of "damn it, we lost:...
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Kit had to know Dottie was telling the pitcher to throw her high fast ones, because like you said, that was their thing, and it was Kit's weakness.
Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. You think Dottie went to the mound because she thought, "Kit will know that I'm telling her to throw high fast balls and she will hit one in the gap, even though she hasn't been able to hit them even when I've warned her they were coming in the past. Oh, and then she'll round third and I'll have the chance to drop the ball and let her win. Even when she goes 0-2 and is on the verge of striking out, and I still have my hardened game face on, not letting on any sympathy or desire to throw the game for Kit, I know that Kit will launch the third one."
C'mon man. I get that it's hard to break with what how you've always viewed it in the past, but it is absolutely ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/12/12 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:55 pm to ChewyDante
And it's funny that none of the players or coaches seemed to think she dropped it on purpose. Not ONE of them said anything to her indicating that and neither did Kit. You have to jump through hoops and stretch obscure interpretations out of random scenes to make your argument that she dropped it on purpose, but it wasn't that obvious to ANYONE else in the movie to where it was mentioned? EVER?
Posted on 5/12/12 at 8:59 pm to ChewyDante
i have said that the game being in it's current situation at the time is an inconsistency...
i don't think dottie batted perfectly for the season just think she was that great of a player, to where that play was easy for her.
but ya, i said earlier that dottie should have just struck out. that is an inconsistency...but, she saw her sister crying in the dugout after that, and that could be when she changed her mind.
i don't think dottie batted perfectly for the season
just think she was that great of a player, to where that play was easy for her. but ya, i said earlier that dottie should have just struck out. that is an inconsistency...but, she saw her sister crying in the dugout after that, and that could be when she changed her mind.
Posted on 5/12/12 at 9:03 pm to ChewyDante
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And it's funny that none of the players or coaches seemed to think she dropped it on purpose. Not ONE of them said anything to her indicating that and neither did Kit. You have to jump through hoops and stretch obscure interpretations out of random scenes to make your argument that she dropped it on purpose, but it wasn't that obvious to ANYONE else in the movie to where it was mentioned? EVER?
that's not something you really throw at somebody..."hey listen, i don't want to offend you or anything. i'm not really sure, but did you just throw that baseball game?"
and kit would never ask her that because she is just gonna go on believing that she is the hero...she doesn't wanna know otherwise
Posted on 5/12/12 at 9:06 pm to drake20
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ut, she saw her sister crying in the dugout after that, and that could be when she changed her mind.
But that was before she then tried to strike her out ruthlessly. Dottie wanted to win. She'd always played that way, from the beginning on. I think the dugout scene was absolutely meaningful. I think it is when Dottie got a good look at how much Kit wanted it and how down she was. It paralleled wonderfully why Dottie was able to look over and find a beautiful moment in Kit's victory. If it was a sibling that had always rivaled her then it would be different. But to see Kit for ONCE overshadow her and find success was something she could appreciate.
To me there is nothing very complex in this at all.
Posted on 5/12/12 at 9:13 pm to SemperFi n LSU
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She dropped it on purpose. She got Kit off the farm with her talent. Dottie kept her in the league with her talent. Therefore Dottie dropped the ball to keep Kit in the league for the next season and Dottie went home where she wanted to be. End of story...
Posted on 5/12/12 at 10:17 pm to Napoleon
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She got Kit off the farm with her talent. Dottie kept her in the league with her talent. Therefore
LOL. Where did you get that Dottie's talent kept Kit in the league? As Dottie said in the movie, she got Kit to tryouts, Kit got herself into the league, so scratch that. And as for the rest, that's a big leap to "therefore" without any substantiation from the actual context of the movie. It's actually an example of an invalid logical correlation. I've seen quite a few of those in here.
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to keep Kit in the league for the next season
This is mentioned nowhere in the movie yet it has somehow been concluded. Also, where on Earth does one get the notion that Kit wasn't going to make the league the next year?
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End of story.
That wasn't even remotely a convincing case. Posted on 5/12/12 at 10:23 pm to drake20
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that's not something you really throw at somebody..."hey listen, i don't want to offend you or anything. i'm not really sure, but did you just throw that baseball game?"
You've got to be kidding. Dottie throws the game, everybody apparently knows it since it seems so obvious that she was an unstoppable player and how her hand hit the dirt blah, blah. Nobody mentions it? Because they don't want to offend her? Kit doesn't mention it? EVER? They are sisters, it never comes up later? Dugan doesn't mention it? It's not a topic in the museum? The final play, sister on sister, fans, players, and coaches suspect she threw the play? It's NEVER even hinted at? Except you think it was hinted at because Dottie said to Kit before parting ways "lay off the high ones?"
I'm not going to lie, I am absolutely stunned by some of this logic and these ridiculous conclusions drawn from nothing and the brushing off of all of this overwhelming context and evidence to the contrary.
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