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Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:04 am to lsupride87
quote:Ex wife of his brother who according to the family was an awful woman
I doubt it but was there ever any motive for why the kid(mainly parents coaching like you said) would have incentive to make this up and derail the guy's life?
and the Heimlichs had full custody.....
It is he said she said on both sides
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:06 am to lsupride87
quote:So it is the ex wife of his brother or is the mother as the other poster stated?
Ex wife of his brother
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:07 am to shel311
quote:Its both
So it is the ex wife of his brother or is the mother as the other poster stated?
It is the childs mother, who was now the brothers ex wife, and the Heimlichs had full custody and the mother only had visitation rights for holidays.......
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
quote:Honest question, you have to have motive to go out of your way multiple times to be referring to the child's mother as the "ex wife of his brother," no?
Its both
It is the childs mother, who was now the brothers ex wife, and the Heimlichs had full custody and the mother only had visitation rights for holidays.......
Otherwise...why?
Feels like you're swayed a little more to believe he's innocent, but it seems like going a bit out of your way to call the chid's mother by that reference you've done a couple of times.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:09 am to shel311
quote:No not really
Honest question, you have to have motive to go out of your way multiple times to be referring to the child's mother as the "ex wife of his brother," no?
quote:Becaue you specifically asked me what the mothers motive could be
Otherwise...why?
So I am giving you a potential motive. Ex wife who is angry she does not have any custody over her child.......
I am about 50/50 on what I think happened. I used to be 100% he was guilty
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:10 am to shel311
It’s a fairly important piece of the puzzle IMO
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
quote:But when I already mentioned I don't know details of the story and you reply to state it was the "ex wife of his brother" that reported it, it definitely feels like you're intentionally keeping from me(or whoever would be asking but me in that case) that it was the child's mother.
Becaue you specifically asked me what the mothers motive could be
So I am giving you a potential motive. Ex wife who is angry she does not have any custody over her child.......
If that poster never replied, I would never have assumed it was the child's mother based on the way you worded your reply, and I think you'd agree that knowing it's the child's mother who reported it is kind of a really important fact there.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:11 am to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:Its a huge piece. It is the only thing that shows potential motive for the mother to coach up the daughter
It’s a fairly important piece of the puzzle IMO
Shel asked me for a possible motive, and when I give him one, he questions why I am using the term ex wife
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:12 am to shel311
quote:Dude, you dont have to be an over analyzing detective here
But when I already mentioned I don't know details of the story and you reply to state it was the "ex wife of his brother" that reported it, it definitely feels like you're intentionally keeping from me(or whoever would be asking but me in that case) that it was the child's mother.
If that poster never replied, I would never have assumed it was the child's mother based on the way you worded your reply, and I think you'd agree that knowing it's the child's mother who reported it is kind of a really important fact there.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:12 am to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:So is knowing it's the mother
It’s a fairly important piece of the puzzle IMO
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:13 am to lsupride87
quote:Me admitting I don't know anything about the case, of course I'd question why you didn't say that it was his mother. Why wouldn't I?
Shel asked me for a possible motive, and when I give him one, he questions why I am using the term ex wife
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:13 am to lsupride87
quote:Don't go out of your way to hide the fact, and I don't have to go Sherlock Holmes on you.
Dude, you dont have to be an over analyzing detective here
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:14 am to shel311
quote:I have no clue shel.
Me admitting I don't know anything about the case, of course I'd question why you didn't say that it was his mother. Why wouldn't I?
I thought everyone knew the fact it was his mom that brought the case forward.
I didnt know until recently the mother was divorced from his brother with no custody rights
christ man
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:16 am to Master of Sinanju
quote:
As part of a plea deal to get the charges down to one count, Heimlich and his family agreed to have him enter a diversion program, write a letter admitting what he’d done (“I admit that I had sexual contact”)
Hard to live that down, too.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:18 am to Master of Sinanju
quote:That was part of the plea though
Hard to live that down, too.
His therapist that was required as part of the deal, said that Heimlich maintained his innocence through every session though
Heimlich also passed a lie detector test
I know none of these things prove anything. I just think this case is far muddier than most made it out to be
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:21 am to lsupride87
quote:
I just think this case is far muddier than most made it out to be
No, you've completely flipped from 100% guilty to 100% innocent.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:25 am to TH03
quote:No, I havent
No, you've completely flipped from 100% guilty to 100% innocent.
Case for him being guilty
Eventhough it was a plea, and I get how hard it is to beat these cases, he still pleaded guilty to molesting a 4 year old. That sticks with me
Also a 6 year old said he molested her
Case for him being innocent
He maintained his innocence through counseling.
He passed a lie detector test
The mother could have a motive considering she did not have custody of the child and could want it back
Lukes brother, although a strained relationship with Luke, still has a great relationship with the parents and comes around family events with his daughter
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:26 am to hendersonshands
she was 4 when it happened and no this man will not get drafted because hed get murdered in prison for what he did so I really don't think any self respecting human is gunna put him on their roster. Kid is obviously a sociopath and pathological liar. I've been arrested as a juvenile and had a trial and took a plea deal, you have to give a written statement detailing the fact that you are guilty of the crime, you write it yourself then sign it. There never was a single kid who took a plea deal where I was and didn't have to maintain the fact that they did it. he is scum and as far as I'm concerned they should cut off his left hand
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
quote:
No, I havent
You can say that all you want, but your posts in this thread and in the last one we had about him say otherwise.
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