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re: Why don't the Bengals cut ties with Shemir Stewart and just sign Hendrickson to a deal?
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:24 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:24 pm to lsufball19
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do you seriously not grasp how and why ambiguous clauses in a contract, especially one that has consequences in the tens of millions of dollars, are probably terms you are going to advise your client against signing?
If you had faith in yourself or your client to not do stupid shite then it shouldn’t be a problem. He and his camp are ADMITTING that they don’t have that confidence.
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Now I want you to define what "stupid shite" is.
This list is endless. Feel feee to give some of these highly ambiguous examples that y’all keep talking about. Mingo gave two that are very stupid things for a player to publicly say. You have anymore?
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he could get suspended for a late hit,
I was waiting for the REALLY dumb examples to start popping up. Thank you lol
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There are ways to fix these ambiguities by actually defining what "conduct detrimental to the team" means in the context of that provision. But it appears the Bengals aren't interested in getting a deal done.
Stewart’s camp don’t want that. They want nothing new added in.
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:26 pm to TackySweater
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Stewart’s camp don’t want that. They want nothing new added in.
There’s already a player conduct policy
And of course they don’t, for several reasons, nor does the Players Associate. If Stewart agrees to that provision it gives the owners leverage to require it from other players. Of which his agents represent some of those and all are obviously members of the players association.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:27 pm to jiffyjohnson
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you most certainly did.
Well. I didn’t. Like I said, feel free to clarify your original question and I’ll gladly answer it. Becuase what you originally asked is nowhere close to this without clarification.
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based off of the opinions you have shared wouldnt bode well.
So is it stuff he said in the past or is it stuff he says after the contract is signed? Because the clause doesn’t say “comments already made”
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:27 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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No
Well yea. If you don’t think he should be able to say stupid shite them this isn’t a problem lol
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:28 pm to TackySweater
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Because the clause doesn’t say “comments already made”
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:29 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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And of course they don’t, for several reasons, nor does the Players Associate. If Stewart agrees to that provision it gives the owners leverage to require it from other players. Of which his agents represent some of those and all are obviously members of the players association.
So now a bunch of people don’t have faith that a bunch of players can just shut up and play ball
I’m still amazed that people have such a hard time understanding why it is so hard for sports players to just play their sport lol
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
So the hold up is that they do have confidence that he won’t say stupid shite going forward but they are worried about what he said in the past? These goal posts are underwater by now lol
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:34 pm to TackySweater
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I was waiting for the REALLY dumb examples to start popping up. Thank you lol
lol man
its worded in such a way that THIS EXAMPLE could be construed as a reason to void his money.
forget political shite for a sec. lets say the guy has a fight with his gold digger gf and the texts get leaked where he calls her a dumb bitch.
lets say he gets suspended for an on the field fight.
lets say he gets photographed naked on a yacht
the point being, the clause shouldnt be there because it isnt there for anyone else. the scenarios are pointless when you realize its not being asked of anyone else.
you say he should keep his head down and work and there wont be a problem with the clause. i say the clause shouldnt be there at all. only one of us is bein a fig about it and it aint me.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:36 pm to TackySweater
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So now a bunch of people don’t have faith that a bunch of players can just shut up and play ball
An attorney wouldn’t allow Tim Tebow or Phillip Rivers to sign this contract
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:39 pm to jiffyjohnson
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forget political shite for a sec. lets say the guy has a fight with his gold digger gf and the texts get leaked where he calls her a dumb bitch.
As a professional athlete in today’s world, this is a REALLY dumb thing to do. ESPECIALLY with a gold digger gf that will be looking for any reason to make him look bad. What a dumb example lol
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lets say he gets suspended for an on the field fight.
Fighting at your job ISNT a stupid thing to do? Ok lol
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lets say he gets photographed naked on a yacht
This one is a decent example. I doubt the team would really care about that. But you should know better as a public figure than to do stuff like that when everyone has a camera looking to make famous people look bad.
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the point being, the clause shouldnt be there because it isnt there for anyone else. the scenarios are pointless when you realize its not being asked of anyone else.
If they had faith that he could control himself and not do stupid shite then this doesn’t matter. They clearly do not.
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you say he should keep his head down and work and there wont be a problem with the clause.
What’s so hard about that?
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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An attorney wouldn’t allow Tim Tebow or Phillip Rivers to sign this contract
Those players might though
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:43 pm to TackySweater
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As a professional athlete in today’s world, this is a REALLY dumb thing to do. ESPECIALLY with a gold digger gf that will be looking for any reason to make him look bad. What a dumb example lol
ya cause only millionaires get caught up with the wrong woman right?
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Fighting at your job ISNT a stupid thing to do? Ok lol
fights happen in sports, any of those players losing millions for it?
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This one is a decent example. I doubt the team would really care about that
they might care if they could use it to save millions
^this is the part to really remember here. youre being purposefully obtuse if you continue to ignore it.
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If they had faith that he could control himself and not do stupid shite then this doesn’t matter. They clearly do not.
or theyve got a way to backdoor not paying a player cause the budgets real tight
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What’s so hard about that?
take the clause out and see if he doesnt do that anyway
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:46 pm to jiffyjohnson
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ya cause only millionaires get caught up with the wrong woman right?
Wut lol
Do you NOT think that’s a stupid thing to do for a pro athlete?
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fights happen in sports, any of those players losing millions for it?
No because it’s not in anyone’s contract yet. But it might be soon.
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they might care if they could use it to save millions
And completely ruin their franchise going forward? Ok sure.
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take the clause out and see if he doesnt do that anyway
He very well might. That’s not the point.
You’re even more confused than some of the others lol
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:55 pm to TackySweater
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Do you NOT think that’s a stupid thing to do for a pro athlete?
i think men pay for their choice in women in plenty of ways. dont need it affecting my job as well.
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But it might be soon
no chance. while the leagues official position may be they dont tolerate it, they dont exactly hate the surge in viewership fights get them.
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And completely ruin their franchise going forward? Ok sure.
its the fricking bengals. theyre poor as frick and at the bottom of player surveys consistently so public opinion matters little. think they wouldnt use the millions they saved to pay other players?
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You’re even more confused than some of the others lol
the only thing im confused about is why youre arguing for a clause you yourself admit you wouldnt sign lol
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:00 pm to TackySweater
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This list is endless.
yeah, that's the point, bud. The list is endless and completely open to interpretation. Hence, why the clause needs to be amended
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I was waiting for the REALLY dumb examples to start popping up.
It's not dumb. Any semi-competent attorney could argue that getting suspended for a late hit would be detrimental to the team
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:01 pm to jiffyjohnson
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the only thing im confused about is why youre arguing for a clause you yourself admit you wouldnt sign lol
Still waiting for you to rephrase your question and add clarification. You haven’t done so yet. I’ll wait.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:04 pm to lsufball19
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yeah, that's the point, bud. The list is endless and completely open to interpretation.
Feel free to give some of these really hard and vague examples that players will have so much trouble with then lol
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It's not dumb. Any semi-competent attorney could argue that getting suspended for a late hit would be detrimental to the team
Well. Don’t do things that are against the rules? Novel concept, I know!
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:05 pm to TackySweater
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Still waiting for you to rephrase your question
hold your breath for me
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:06 pm to TackySweater
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Don’t do things that are against the rules?
never seen a ref make a bad call?
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