- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why does Drew Brees get so disrespected?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:11 am to WolfPackers
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:11 am to WolfPackers
quote:
Yes, his current receivers except Adams, suck. His tight ends suck. We don't know about Sternberger.
It’s been 3 of the past 4 seasons now. He doesn’t get credit for not producing despite the talent last season
quote:
You're only focusing on Rodgers play and not the receivers and tight ends during this decline. But you give credit to Rodgers and his receiving corps and tight ends when he was winning mvps.
I give credit for producing at an elite level which he hasn’t been doing lately. Brees dragged poor supporting talent to great offensive production in the past. The whole point, which flew over your head, is that it goes both ways.
quote:
Drew Brees dinks and dunks so completion is higher, while Aaron looks downfield.
Brees was one of the best deep passers in the game for a long time and has completed a similar number of 20+ passes at a much higher completion rate.
quote:
You realize Rodgers was injured in the two of the three stats you cite? Collarbone and broken leg bone.
Maybe he shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long taking unnecessary hits and sacks. Brees injuried his throwing thumb yet put up another elite season
Injured or not, AR hasn’t been consistently elite in a few years now. You can’t just gift him the credit when health and longevity are a big part of the discussion
And for the dome/outside lazy argument:
LINK
quote:
As you'd expect, nothing changes for Brees when he steps foot outside the Superdome. On his 1951 attempts from a clean pocket in an open-air stadium within the PFF era, 44 have been batted at the line of scrimmage, 13 have been spikes, 115 have been dropped, and 21 have been thrown away, which gives him an adjusted completion percentage of 80.9% – the best mark among quarterbacks with at least 500 attempts and the only mark above 80.0%.
quote:
In comparison, Brees has logged a passer rating of 104.3 on his deep attempts from an enclosed setting – good for seventh among qualifying quarterbacks – while his 16.6 yards per attempt, 52.3% adjusted completion percentage and his 51.8% positively-graded throw rate still all rank first.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 5:31 am
3
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:39 am to BreesyInBigEasy
The point wasn't he holds on to the ball too long. My point was you brought in statistics that are not relevant or were not qualified with injury.
I thought we were talking about recency. You dismiss Rodgers past accomplishments and focus on current stats. Now you are talking about comparing their careers.
He missed most of one season with a broken collarbone, another season with a broken bone in his leg, as part of your 3 out of 4 seasons. Again, we are discussing recency because that was the premise of your point.
You earlier stated Rodgers' supporting cast was great during his prolific years and he shouldn't get all the credit, but now you say he deserves all the blame.
Brees WAS good at throwing deep, but I thought we were talking about the last 4 years.
I don't if Brees carried bad offenses because I don't know enough about him. That's just an assertion without evidence.
The Packers played last year with a 5th round pick and 4 udfa. Their tight ends were Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Mercdes Lewis, and Jace Sternberger.
So that would be 5 udfa and a rookie 3rd rounder who missed half the season, and two tight ends above older than 30.
I thought we were talking about recency. You dismiss Rodgers past accomplishments and focus on current stats. Now you are talking about comparing their careers.
He missed most of one season with a broken collarbone, another season with a broken bone in his leg, as part of your 3 out of 4 seasons. Again, we are discussing recency because that was the premise of your point.
You earlier stated Rodgers' supporting cast was great during his prolific years and he shouldn't get all the credit, but now you say he deserves all the blame.
Brees WAS good at throwing deep, but I thought we were talking about the last 4 years.
I don't if Brees carried bad offenses because I don't know enough about him. That's just an assertion without evidence.
The Packers played last year with a 5th round pick and 4 udfa. Their tight ends were Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Mercdes Lewis, and Jace Sternberger.
So that would be 5 udfa and a rookie 3rd rounder who missed half the season, and two tight ends above older than 30.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 5:45 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:49 am to BreesyInBigEasy
so now you're taking stats from 2006 and you're comparing green bay weather to other outdoor stadiums, which run the gamut.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:56 am to WolfPackers
quote:
The point wasn't he holds on to the ball too long. My point was you brought in statistics that are not relevant or were not qualified with injury.
Did he produce as an elite QB in 3 of the past 4 years? Yes or no?
When’s the last time he played a season as a top 3 QB? Top 5?
quote:
I thought we were talking about recency. You dismiss Rodgers past accomplishments and focus on current stats. Now you are talking about comparing their careers.
Here you go putting words in others mouths again because you can’t argue effectively. How have I diminished his past accomplishments? I couldn’t have made this any clearer:
quote:
AR was on pace to the GOAT, but that was 4 seasons ago and he could not sustain his incredible level of play
Try to read it this time
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 5:57 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:01 am to WolfPackers
quote:
so now you're taking stats from 2006 and you're
What’s so hard to follow here? I’m talking about Drews career and arguing against your idiotic outdoor argument with stats
Your own words on going back to 2006:
quote:
There is no doubt Brees is good, he is just not as good as Aaron Rodgers based on career stats.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 6:04 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:13 am to BreesyInBigEasy
Apparently you don't understand your own writing.
We were talking about a 4 year range. You didn't want to talk about his past accomplishments. You dismissed them for the purpose of the discussion. I'm not trying to say you dismissed them for what they are.
So you want to use two seasons where he was injured as evidence. He missed most of 2017 and last year played with a broken leg. That is not a reasonable comp.
So we went from the last 4 years only to you just throwing in their careers.
We were talking about a 4 year range. You didn't want to talk about his past accomplishments. You dismissed them for the purpose of the discussion. I'm not trying to say you dismissed them for what they are.
So you want to use two seasons where he was injured as evidence. He missed most of 2017 and last year played with a broken leg. That is not a reasonable comp.
So we went from the last 4 years only to you just throwing in their careers.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:18 am to BreesyInBigEasy
When I mentioned Aaron Rodgers career, you kept bringing up his recent struggles, not career. Now you are bringing up the career of Brees as evidence for how good he is.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:50 am to WolfPackers
That broken collarbone was an unnecessary hit. Rodgers looked retarded on that play. Held it way to long
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:00 am to WolfPackers
quote:
When I mentioned Aaron Rodgers career, you kept bringing up his recent struggles, not career. Now you are bringing up the career of Brees as evidence for how good he is.
Once again:
quote:
AR was on pace to the GOAT, but that was 4 seasons ago and he could not sustain his incredible level of play
What don’t you get? That’s part of his career, is it not? It’s why you can’t say he’s had a better career at this point vs a better peak
Brees (Rodgers) has finished:
7 (0) seasons leading the league in yards, 11 (4)seasons in the top 5 in yards, 10 (0) in the top 3
4 (1) leading the league in TDS, 11 (7) top 5, 8 (4) top 3
2 (2) leading in passer rating, 7 (4) top 3, 9 (7) top 5
6 (0) leading in completion %, 12 (4) top 5, 11 (2) top 3
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 7:19 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:49 am to BreesyInBigEasy
Bro
There is zero point in coming on this board and expecting drew to get the credit he deserves. This board is majority LA sports fans, so the popular thing to do is shite on the saints and their fans
And relax people, I don’t think anyone is actually ‘shitting’ on Brees. He just never gets the recognition he deserves.
There is zero point in coming on this board and expecting drew to get the credit he deserves. This board is majority LA sports fans, so the popular thing to do is shite on the saints and their fans
And relax people, I don’t think anyone is actually ‘shitting’ on Brees. He just never gets the recognition he deserves.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:53 am to RollTide1987
quote:
Why does Drew Brees get so disrespected?
He doesn’t
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:24 am to TulaneFan
quote:
If Brees has the same numbers but played for the Cowboys, Packers, or Patriots he would be getting deepthroated 24/7
That's true
quote:
Probably because he plays for the Saints, who are viewed as a red headed stepchild in the NFL.
Patently false and just another example of the victim mentality of the typical Louisiana resident. Brees would be viewed no differently than he is today if he played for number of franchises. Bucs, Falcons, Bills, Titans, Texans, Ravens, Seahawks, Cardinals. Basically anyone without a semi recent legendary QB or history of great success. The NFL is tiered.
Cowboys, Packers, 49ers, Steelers, Patriots, Giants
Bears, maybe Broncos Raiders and Dolphins
Everybody else. If a tiered team is doing well then the media will slob them or overhype them. It has to do with "tradition" and former great QBs. It's the same reason that Texas and USC and Notre Dame are ranked in the top 25 every preseason. There isn't some agenda against the saints, they just aren't a historical franchise, like the majority of the NFL
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:55 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:
Bro
There is zero point in coming on this board and expecting drew to get the credit he deserves. This board is majority LA sports fans, so the popular thing to do is shite on the saints and their fans
It’s all in fun. I know how the internet works and I know not to expect rational discussions or a good post by you
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:09 pm to WolfPackers
quote:
Rodgers' seasons where he actually had talent were, quite possibly, the highest level of quarterback play ever seen
And he still choked in the playoffs
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:16 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
ThePTExperience1969
Sucks to suck
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:49 pm to theducks
So self-own by you, nice
Page 9 of 9
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News