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re: Why does Drew Brees get so disrespected?
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:40 pm to Ghostface_Killa
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:40 pm to Ghostface_Killa
quote:So Brees isn't as good as other QBs because he's had a few historically bad defenses? How is that any bit logical?
A lot of those stats were on mediocre teams who had mediocre seasons.
quote:Same amount of titles as Rodgers, are you downgrading Rodgers for the same reason?
When he had good teams, he underachieved.
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Show me his playoff stats.
I can show you Brees's playoff stats compared to Manning and Brady, but that's going to make your argument look really bad.
Brees is wayyyyyy better than Brady in the postseason at the QB position. Brees's teams in the postseason score more points, gain more yards, and turn the ball over less than Brady's teams. Not sure what more you can ask for other than blaming Brees for not going out on defense and getting stops himself.
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:41 pm to oleyeller
quote:He was the best player in the NFL in 2009.
He has never been the best player in the nfl... not once. Zero league mvps
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:43 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:In much the same way that Lebron vs Kobe is a good litmus test where you can immediately just not take someone serious when they say Kobe is better, I feel the exact same about Elway vs Brees
as a big John Elway fan I cannot fathom how you rank Elway ahead of Brees. Elway couldn't carry Brees jock.
There is no world where Elway is better than Brees, it simply can't be argued.
I'm not really sure why there's that mythology around Elway. Many people on this board love to talk about the teams he drug to the SB in the '80s when there was even one season where the passing game was legit the weakest part of the team. The run game and defense were top 5-10 level good and the passing game average, and people STILL credit Elway for dragging a shite team to the SB. It's baffling.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:If you think Brady and Manning are slam dunk top 5s, then I do think there is no argument to the contrary that Brees is as well.
You can definitely make a case that he's top 5, but to act like he's a slam dunk top 5 all timer and there's NO legitimate argument to the contrary is just ridiculous homerism.
Your statement is fair if you don't have Brady or Manning as slam dunk top 5s.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:51 pm to shel311
I would not have Manning as a slam dunk top 5.
With Brady rightly or wrongly rings matter at least to a point and I'm just not going to exclude a guy that was the starting QB for 9 Super Bowl teams with 6 wins. I get the argument that looking at his stats tell another story but the guy was a stone cold winner and that matters, you play to win the game. That's just an overwhelming amount of winning and he's the only guy on the team that touches the ball every play he's on the field.
With Brady rightly or wrongly rings matter at least to a point and I'm just not going to exclude a guy that was the starting QB for 9 Super Bowl teams with 6 wins. I get the argument that looking at his stats tell another story but the guy was a stone cold winner and that matters, you play to win the game. That's just an overwhelming amount of winning and he's the only guy on the team that touches the ball every play he's on the field.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:The best players will generally have more titles than those who aren't, and certainly as a whole will have more titles than a random group of lesser players.
With Brady rightly or wrongly rings matter at least to a point and I'm just not going to exclude a guy that was the starting QB for 9 Super Bowl teams with 6 wins. I get the argument that looking at his stats tell another story but the guy was a stone cold winner and that matters, you play to win the game. That's just an overwhelming amount of winning and he's the only guy on the team that touches the ball every play he's on the field.
But it's obviously not a perfect order, so you can have some crazy swings where a guy with a few more titles can be not as good as a guy with a few less titles.
I have all 3 as slam dunk top 5 guys.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:03 pm to shel311
Sure it's not perfect, but 9 appearances with 6 wins is a frick ton.
To me Montana, Brady, and Unitas are the only stone cold top 5 all timers, with 7-10 other guys after that who all have at least some argument to be up in that top 5 or 7 as well. That's where Brees is to me, if the Saints had won another title I might feel differently and I understand that's not entirely fair but when talking about the best of the best you have to split hairs somewhere.
To me Montana, Brady, and Unitas are the only stone cold top 5 all timers, with 7-10 other guys after that who all have at least some argument to be up in that top 5 or 7 as well. That's where Brees is to me, if the Saints had won another title I might feel differently and I understand that's not entirely fair but when talking about the best of the best you have to split hairs somewhere.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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None of those are dramatic differences so not sure why that's dispositive of anything.
Right but Brees has the advantage. Along with the cumulative stats and a ring. And the fact that Brees is a top 3-5 QB into his 20th season. Marino’s last 3-4 years were shaky as hell.
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just that it's not a stone cold slam dunk lock that's beyond any discussion whatsoever.
Yes it is, I’m sorry. This is where the disrespect comes into play. You’re saying yeah sure, Brees is good but so are these other guys. That doesn’t happen with Brady or Manning or Elway, their spots are cemented.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:08 pm to DBG
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That doesn’t happen with Brady or Manning or Elway, their spots are cemented.
Brady yes because of the rings but I don't really agree that Manning or Elway are given much more respect than Brees. If there is a difference I think it's only because Brees is still active so people can't wax nostalgic about him yet.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:57 pm to shel311
Shel doing work in this thread
The simple fact is that people love to knock drew and take shots at him because he plays for the saints, and TD is a Louisiana based board so naturally you’re gonna have guys who want to play contrarian and take him down a few notches
The year manning won MVP over drew told me all I needed to know about that bullshite award
The simple fact is that people love to knock drew and take shots at him because he plays for the saints, and TD is a Louisiana based board so naturally you’re gonna have guys who want to play contrarian and take him down a few notches
The year manning won MVP over drew told me all I needed to know about that bullshite award
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:03 pm to Mr. Hangover
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people love to knock drew and take shots at him
Who is doing that?
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:11 pm to RollTide1987
I mean he’s a great QB. He also played with guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes.
I don’t think he gets disrespected. And it’s not because the Super Bowls either. He’s never been the best QB in the NFL, no MVP’s. It doesn’t make him bad but he’s just not in the same class as a Brady or Peyton
I don’t think he gets disrespected. And it’s not because the Super Bowls either. He’s never been the best QB in the NFL, no MVP’s. It doesn’t make him bad but he’s just not in the same class as a Brady or Peyton
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:27 pm to Tigerfan56
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He’s never been the best QB in the NFL,
He was very clearly the best QB in 2009
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Nobody. Nobody on this board at all has ever taken shots at drew
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:39 pm to DBG
quote:Yep, unequivocally better in 2009.
He was very clearly the best QB in 2009
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:44 pm to JohnnyRebel
Top 3
Posted on 4/11/20 at 6:03 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Top 3
No wonder why this board is so shite up arse. With one super bowl, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning playing in just in the same time frame, he’s not top 3. Saints fans bring up passing records says, in a more pass reliable league than ever. Those stats mean nothing to different eras, and how many rings other QBs have. He’s not top 3, and I was being generous putting him top 5. This board is bias, for good reason. It’s a Louisiana board. Honestly, it’s Saints fans disrespecting other all time QB’s vs Drew being disrespected.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 6:23 pm to JohnnyRebel
quote:Saints fans and biased homers think he's top 5, sure.
No wonder why this board is so shite up arse. With one super bowl, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning playing in just in the same time frame, he’s not top 3. Saints fans bring up passing records says, in a more pass reliable league than ever. Those stats mean nothing to different eras, and how many rings other QBs have. He’s not top 3, and I was being generous putting him top 5. This board is bias, for good reason. It’s a Louisiana board. Honestly, it’s Saints fans disrespecting other all time QB’s vs Drew being disrespected.
He's also objectively top 5 based solely on his QB play, that too.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 6:24 pm to JohnnyRebel
The fact that you rate Peyton Manning over him because of rings is hilarious. Manning’s rotting corpse was dragged to the Super Bowl by his defense. He was a part time starter that year 
Manning’s 2015 stats when he lead the Broncos to the promised land: 9 games, 59.8% 9 TD 17 INT
Manning’s 2015 stats when he lead the Broncos to the promised land: 9 games, 59.8% 9 TD 17 INT
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 6:58 pm to DBG
Not only rings but Peyton changed the game mentally. Drew didn’t change the game compared to Peyton. Drew got a lot of records because of his longevity, while both players a long time, and for the most part both played in a small market with teams that weren’t that great. Both are similar but Peyton has changed the game and has more rings. Peyton is above Brees, even though I love Drew Brees.
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