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re: Who is the BEST power forward in the NBA right now
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:33 pm to tehchampion140
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:33 pm to tehchampion140
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"Amare" and "defense" should never be used in the same paragraph unless there's a "doesn't play" somewhere in there.
Oh he's below average for sure, but still better than Love. At least Dirk and Amare try and can have some success in the post. Love just kind of stands there waving his arms hoping something good happens.
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:34 pm to charlottetiger
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with Rubio and Love, the T-Wolves have a great inside-outide game going on, much better than I though it would be.
Rubio has definitely been the surprise of the season so far.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:34 pm to TheMaverick
Bosh Spice
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:37 pm to TheMaverick
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He is a far more efficient scorer that's for damn sure.
he's more efficient, but he's not a better scorer. Love is shooting 40% from 3pt range. thats unbelieviable. Milsaps gets most of his points near the paint and doesn't need to score like Love does.
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Rebounding numbers would be closer if 1. Millsap played as much as Love does per game
lol, no they wouldnt. Love would average 2 more RPG if they played the same amount of minutes.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
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he's more efficient, but he's not a better scorer
Yes he is. Love doesn't do shite inside the paint. That'd be okay if he were a point or a 2, but for a 4/5, that's fricking terrible. Maybe if Love wouldn't hog the ball so damn much, some of the other players on his team could get a little rhythm going on their shots so he doesn't have to take the 4th most shots in the league per game.
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Rebounding numbers would be closer if 1. Millsap played as much as Love does per game
lol, no they wouldnt. Love would average 2 more RPG if they played the same amount of minutes.
You aren't too good with this whole reading comprehension thing are you?
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:56 pm to TheMaverick
If you think Millsap is better than Love then basically you guarantee that if he played 8 more minutes every game then he would automatically get at the LEAST 8 more points and 5 more rebounds on average every game in the 8 minute span he is on the bench. If that is the case then why the hell doesn't he play more, why would Utah sit him? I can almost say with 100 % certainty that Millsap would not have the production Love has with more minutes. Amare Stoudemire can't touch Love.
Part of me thinks you just hate Kevin Love Maverick.
Part of me thinks you just hate Kevin Love Maverick.
This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:01 pm to tiggerthetooth
There is nothing Amare does that Kevin Love doesn't beat or compare to. Amare shoots a worse FG%, same FT%, less Rebounds, less points, same Steals, same assists, same blocks.
Oh yeah, and Amare averages more turnovers.
Oh yeah, and Amare averages more turnovers.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
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If that is the case then why the hell doesn't he play more?
Derrick Favors and Enas Kanter.
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I can almost say with 100 % certainty that Millsap would not have the production Love has with more minutes
You're right, he'd have better production.
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Part of me thinks you just hate Kevin Love Maverick.
I don't care one way or another about him, but I laugh when people seriously want to discuss him as the best power forward in the league right now, when he's clearly not in the discussion with his play so far.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:07 pm to TheMaverick
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You're right, he'd have better production.
Give me 1 piece of evidence that says he would have BETTER production. You say that but have no evidence to support your claim. Kevin Love produces more than Millsap and anyone else out there you have brought up. I have facts, you have unsupported claims.
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I laugh when people seriously want to discuss him as the best power forward in the league right now
I laugh at you because you just can't admit you just hate Kevin Love. He is the best PF in the game right now, everyone knows it except you because you can't get past how much better he is than everyone else. You have brought up far too many irrational and illogical examples to receive any credibility in this debate. Anderson Varejao? Really? Amare Stoudemire? You just kept trying to make up stuff to debunk Kevin Love and how awesome he is.
This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:21 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Give me 1 piece of evidence that says he would have BETTER production. You say that but have no evidence to support your claim.
I'll give you two.
1. Millsap is shooting 55% by hitting 7.4-13.6 per game. Love is at 7.9-18.2 a game. So if Millsap took 5 more shots a game, he'd only need to hit ONE of them and he'd still have a higher shooting percentage than Love. 8.4-18.6 = 45% 7.9-18.2 = 43.6%. Not to mention the fact that if Millsap was averaging 40 minutes a night like Love, he'd be average over 11.5 rebounds per game, over a block per game, 2.5 assists per game, and over 2 steals as well. Not to mention to the fact that his defensive abilities are head and shoulders better than Love's.
2. Millsap outplayed Love by a wide margin head to head: Game. Set. Match.
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I laugh at you because you just can't admit you just hate Kevin Love
I hate two nba players: Wade and Manu. Nice try though fool.
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He is the best PF in the game right now,
He may be the best power forward in the league named Kevin Love, but he's not the best power forward in the NBA.
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everyone knows it except you
Right which is why half the people in this thread have said otherwise, huh?
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You just kept trying to make up stuff to debunk Kevin Love and how awesome he is.
Do you get paid to dickride or do you just do it because you got a little to excited by the Love in the shower commercial?
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:56 pm to TheMaverick
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Dude is all volume. What kind of power forward shoots under 43%?
I'd take Amare, Dirk, Ryan Anderson (Shooting better than Love this year),
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Anderson is a stretch, but he is shooting better than Love overall
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43% is terrible shooting percentage for a 4-5 in the league. This isn't 1962. That kid of shooting percentage is outright horrible.
Kevin Love - 43.6%
Ryan Anderson - 43.6%
Amare - 42.6%
excellent analysis
Posted on 1/26/12 at 1:57 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:I was using efficiency per 48 minutes bc Millsaps doesnt get as many minutes as Love.
Love has a higher efficiency on NBA.com than Millsap.
Why he doesnt? Well theres Favors but even before Favors was around Millsaps never seemed to get starter minutes, barring injury to someone else. Everytime he is given the minutes he produces like crazy.
In games where he has played over 32 minutes he is averaging 22PTS 11Reb 1.5stl and 1BLK
On the subject of rebounding Love is playing along side Darko while Millsaps is playing next to Al Jefferson. It shouldnt be a surprise that Love is able to avg more a game.
This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:25 pm to TheLittleAristotle
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Kevin Love - 43.6%
Ryan Anderson - 43.6%
Amare - 42.6%
Anderson is shooting better from 3 point range (42.2% to 40.9%), better from 2 point range (45.6% to 44.7%), and shooting better from the FT line (87.5% to 80.9%).
Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:38 pm to TheMaverick
never mind
This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:45 pm to TheLittleAristotle
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how can player 1 have a better shooting percentage from both 3-point range and 2-point range and end up with the exact same fg percentage as player 2?
Anderson has taken 128 3 point shots at a 42.2% clip and 90 two point shots at 45.6% clip.
Lover has taken 93 3 point shots at a 40.9% clip and 235 two point shots at a 44.7%.
Gotta weigh out the averages.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:49 pm to TheMaverick
yeah, i had a brain fart but figured it out
THANKS
THANKS
Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:53 pm to TheMaverick
if you polled every GM in the NBA, how many do you think would take Millsap over Kevin Love?
Posted on 1/26/12 at 3:17 pm to TheMaverick
i admit i haven't watched twolves all that much, so how does someone who avoids the paint and sits on the perimeter waving his arms hoping for magic to happen end up being 3rd in the league in both offensive rebounds and free-throw attempts?
i assume players aren't stupid enough to consistently foul a horrible shooter in the act of his horrible shooting in order to consistently send him to the foul line.
i assume players aren't stupid enough to consistently foul a horrible shooter in the act of his horrible shooting in order to consistently send him to the foul line.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 9:53 pm to TheLittleAristotle
Love went 6-13 tonight and had 16 rebounds. Millsap went 7-13, 6-6 at the line for 20 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, and a block.
BTW, for those laughing about taking Varejao over Love, Sideshow Bob is second only to Dwight Howard in the entire NBA in Total Rebound Percentage. So not only is he a FAR better defender than Love, but he rebounds more efficiently, and he scores more efficiently. Right now, Varejao is outplaying Kevin Love.
BTW, for those laughing about taking Varejao over Love, Sideshow Bob is second only to Dwight Howard in the entire NBA in Total Rebound Percentage. So not only is he a FAR better defender than Love, but he rebounds more efficiently, and he scores more efficiently. Right now, Varejao is outplaying Kevin Love.
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