re: who do the patriots draft this year in the first round?

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I wouldnt say Spikes is easily replaceable. And I think you undervalue him, while I might overvalue him a bit. PFF has Spikes ranked at the #6 ILB in the league. And the best run stopping MLB in the game. A MLBs job is to 1st stop the run

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Im not saying hes not good, just that the Pats have in very good in house replacements for him and he wont be worth bringing back at his pricetag. They drafted Collins last year, partially because they knew Spikes would be gone this offseason

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And isnt Belichick a huge fan of Spikes?

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Not really. They've butted heads a bit with some of Spikes off the field behavior and missing meetings and the like. I wouldn't consider him a coach favorite

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But I just think Spikes is 1 of the 3 most impactful players on the Pats D along with Chandler Jones and Talib

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Yeah you deffintly overrate him

Chandler Jones, Talib, Nink, Devin McCourty (the most underrated and best free safety in the game), Mayo, and Wilfork all have way bigger impacts during each game than Spikes

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And Nicks might be cheaper, but hes a $$$ whore and will go to the highest bidder

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The highest bidder wont be that high. He didn't score any touhdowns this year. that's a huge redflag for a guy that supposed to be a redzone threat

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But Kenny Britt is the type of player that Belichick takes a shot on. Hes done it a lot in the past and most of the time it turns out to be a great move. Hes 1 of the few coaches, or the only coach, that seems to be able to corral players with off the field issues and turns them into very productive players and revives their careers. Im not saying the Pats should go after him, but they could sign him cheap and hes a very talented WR. If Belichick can work his magic, he could turn him back into a big time WR. Not saying they will or should, but I do think its something interesting to watch.

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I wouldn't be against the move (I was for it during the trading deadline) but I wouldn't expect anything from him (which is what this thread is based on). Hes worth a flyer but hes closer to Lamont Jordan than he is Randy moss at this point imo.

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I agree that its not typical of them to take a skill player early on due to their system. But this is also the 1st year in a while that their lack of weapons as the skill positions are evident.

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They knew there would be growing pains this year. All three rookie WRs flashed potential throughout the year. The Pats are not going to panic all of a sudden after their 3rd straight AFC title game

Read this. It comes from the top down. And its the reason the Pats are aways good

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And who said anything about replacing Dobson?

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The entire thread is about finding the Pats a #1 WR. Im arguing Dobson has a better chance at being that than a guy they will find at the end of the first round and its pretty illogical to expect a rookie to come in as the #1 outside WR when you just saw what usually happens for rookie WRs in the Pats system.

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n my 1st post in here I said: if they like Dobsons development and feel comfortable with him as their WR of the future and dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a WR, try and trade up into the mid 2nd round and take a guy like Jarvis Landry

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Would love to have Landry but the Pats and trading up don't really belong in the same sentence and the PAts don't have much ammo to trade up this year as it is after some bad trades like the Isopo trade

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. But even if Dobson develops and becomes the type of WR that they need, they still need help at other skill player spots

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The pats have gone as far as you go without a true #1 guy, if they got Dobson to that level they wouldn't need much else

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And the Pats arguably had the most injured WRs and TEs in the entire league. Edelman, Amendola, Gronk, Dobson, Vereen, and KT all were banged up this year

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and to be fair the Pats probably had the most injuries in the entire league this year. I wouldn't expect that massive bad luck to continue this year

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But Boyce barely saw the field this year.

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When he finally did, he showed flashes of a solid #2 guy and a good kick returner. it wont show up on the stat sheet but I saw it with my own eyes

But again you have to wait til after year two to judge these guys either way. The Pats always have a player or two that explodes in his second year

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Its not a good sign that Boyce couldnt play over Austin Collie

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Collie had a better ability to grasp the playbook than him. and Collie would have never gotten another call from the Pats if boyce didn't get put on IR late in the year. I don't think its fair to judge a rookie mid round pick and a veteran with experience in a complex offense

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Im not discounting Dobson at all. Youre putting words in my mouth and acting like I said anything negative about Dobson. I didnt. In fact i said the opposite.

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I don't mean it like that. I just think it would be a mistake to think someone else would have a better shot at being the #1 WR the OP is asking about than a guy you can get at the end of the first round

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But this is fun wildtigercat, we usually agree on most things so its not to get into a good debate with you over this

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That's the beauty of this board when its not in full retard mode :lol:

I do too

still had more of an impact than spikes


but he comin back bruh. he and Bianca aint going out like that

Hes a big dude, but he can move

I think they pick one of LSUs receivers.

Wasnt sure of the Belichick/ Spikes relationship... just remember hearing something during the broadcast where they were saying that Spikes is a Belichick type of player and loves the way he plays.

In his prime, I would have said Wilfork is more impactful than Spikes. But hes out of his prime. 32 years old and coming back from an achilles tear. And when he did play in the early part of the season he was having his worst year by far. 5 total tackles in 3 games and 1 series. Not good. And i like WIlfork too. Hes just not the same player he was in the past.

And I like Mayo too. But when he was playing this year he only had 1 good game and it was vs Cincy. And hes pretty much the opposite of Spikes. Not good against the run (30 out of 35 OLBs on PFF). He was 14 out of 35 in pass coverage though. Which is solid. But overall rankings he was 28 out of 35 OLBs. Def was 1 of his worst years when playing.

And I forgot about Nink. And McCourty is a damn good FS. Wouldnt call him the best haha but hes really good. Should have said that Spikes is 1 of the 5 most impactful players on the Pats D along with Jones, Talib, Nink, and McCourty.

And I agree that Nicks contract wont be as high as people or Nicks thought it would be due to his play this year. But hes still a good WR and somebody will make a dumb move and give him a good payday. Bigger than the Pats could afford. Plus, the Pats already have 2 pass catchers that are injury prone in Gronk and Amendola. Doubt they go sign Nicks in FA.

And the Pats have had #1 guys. Just not at WR in the past few years. 1 of them is now in jail for a very long time, and the other cant seem to get healthy / stay healthy.

Collie was signed in early October. He played and caught 2 passes vs the Saints on Oct 13. Only took him a week to grasp the playbook better than a guy that went through mini camp and beginning of the season?

Ha yea man rookies struggling with the playbook is news to me

But the fact that it only took Collie 1 week to get the playbook down and on the field and producing tells me that Boyce has huge issues with it. Regardless of Collie playing in a complex offense with the Colts. He was signed and took him a week to get a brand new offensive playbook down well enough to where he got on the field. Boyce had multiple months to learn the playbook. Collie had 1 week. KT and Dobson are rookies. They didnt seem to have that much trouble, if any, at getting the playbook down.

And I agree Mayo is better than Spikes. But you are undervaluing the hell out of Spikes. He is 1 of the best players on the Pats D. And I dont think you are disagreeing with that. But your using the fact that hes only a run stopping LB. Well, Jimmy Graham is strictly a pass catching TE. Shane Vereen is strictly a change of pass back. Point is, being a really good run stopping LB is a skill that will always be valued in the NFL. Regardless how many times teams throw the ball now. If you cant stop the run, you will have a hard time winning the game.

And what kind of contract do you think Spikes will get in FA? Your acting like its impossible for them to sign him or wont even try. I dont see him getting big time $$$. Why wouldnt they at least try?

And we hi-jacked the crap out of this thread

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats take Jarvis Landry but he might not go until the 2nd or 3rd. He would be a stud with Brady throwing to him, better than Welker ever was, and he could be a beast on special teams. I could also see them taking ODB Jr in the first though and I doubt they would take 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds.

Id be cool with that

But what will probably happen instead

Trade down
Corner
DT
Safety
Trade down
Rutgers player
Special teamer