re: Where does Jon Scheyer rank in Duke history?

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pro success in general should have no bearing on how good a player was while he was at Duke.

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Was mainly talking draft position, not really how they played in the NBA

I think draft position is a nice gauge on overall talent & body of work as a collegiate player.

I would say that is pretty accurate. McRoberts wasn't really a role player, and I wouldn't consider Singler one either. No one else really stood out. Maybe Nolan smith

Those teams really weren't star studded. But a lot of the top players were more versatile than Scheyer was

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McRoberts wasn't really a role player,

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yea he was somewhere in between. Too much talent to be a role player, not good enough to be a star.

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I wouldn't consider Singler one either.

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Definitely the most talented player on that 2009 team. Honestly, Singler could have been the go to guy had they run the offense through him like they did with Redick, but I'm glad they didn't. There's no doubt that in terms of talent, Singler and Smith > Scheyer, but I think all three were equally important to that team. That was one cohesive unit.

Laettner
Grant Hill
Jay Williams
Dawkins
Heyman
Battier
Ferry
Groat
Hurley
Redick
Scheyer

IMO. Scheyer was incredible his senior year, no way they win a championship without him.

Crazy if u don't think they may retire his number. I think they do. But it's 50/50. Not a definite they don't.

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Crazy if u don't think they may retire his number. I think they do. But it's 50/50. Not a definite they don't.

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Dick Groat
-2 Time All American
-1952 UPI National Player of the Year
-1951 Helms Foundation Player of the Year

Mike Gminski
-2 Time All American
-1979 ACC Player of the Year
-First Team ACC 1978, 1979, 1980
-ACC Rookie of the Year 1977
-Named ACC Top 50 Player of All Time

Johnny Dawkins
-1986 Naismith National Player of the Year
-2 Time All American 1985, 1986
-2 Time First Team ACC 1985, 1986
-Named in 50 Greatest Players in ACC History

Danny Ferry
-1989 Naismith National Player of the Year
-First Team All American 1989
-Second Team All American 1988
-2 Time ACC Player of the Year 1988, 1989
-Named in 50 Greatest Players in ACC History

Art Heyman
-1963 National Player of the Year
-2 Time All American 1962, 1963
-1963 ACC Player of the Year
-3 Time All ACC 1961, 1962, 1963
-Named in 50 Greatest Players in ACC History

Christian Laettner
-1992 Naismith National Player of the Year
-2 Time All American 1991, 1992
-1992 ACC Player of the Year
-First Team All ACC 1991, 1992
-Second Team All ACC 1990
-Named top 50 ACC Players of All Time

Bobby Hurley
-2 Time All American 1992, 1993
-First Team All ACC 1993
-Second Team All ACC 1992
-Third Team All ACC 1991
-Named Top 50 ACC Player of All Time

Grant Hill
-1993 National Defensive Player of the Year
-2 Time All American 1994, 1993
-1994 ACC Player of the Year
-First Team All ACC 1993, 1994
-Second Team All ACC 1992
-Named Top 50 ACC Player of All Time

Jeff Mullins
-1964 All American
-1964 ACC Player of the Year
-First Team All ACC 1962, 1963, 1964
-Named Top 50 ACC Player of All Time

Shane Battier
-2001 Naismith Player of the Year
-2 Time All American 2000, 2001
-National Defensive Player of the Year 1999, 2000, 2001
-2001 ACC Player of the Year
-Named Top 50 ACC Player of All Time

Jason Williams
-2002 Naismith National Player of the Year
-2 Time First Team All American 2001, 2002
-2 Time First Team All ACC 2001, 2002
-Named Top 50 ACC Player of All Time

JJ Redick
-2006 Naismith National Player of the Year
-2 Time Rupp National Player of the Year 2005, 2006
-2 Time First Team All American 2005, 2006
-2004 Third Team All American
-2 Time ACC Player of the Year 2005, 2006
-2 Time First Team All ACC 2005, 2006
-Second Team All ACC 2004
-Third Team All ACC 2003

Sheldon Williams
-2 Time National Defensive Player of the Year 2005, 2006
-First Team All American 2006
-2 Time First Team All ACC 2005, 2006

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Jon Scheyer
-Second Team All American 2010
-First Team All ACC 2010
-All ACC All Freshman Team 2007

Yeah, his resume doesnt deserve to be next to those all time greats.

Steve Vacendak, Elton Brand, Chris Carrawell, and Nolan Smith have all won the ACC Player of the Year, and they dont have their numbers retired.

Brand should have his number retired since he has won a National Player of the Year award, but he hasnt graduated from Duke, so he is an omission.

Nolan smith was a ACC POY too.

id also prob rank guys like Cherokee Parks, Boozer, tommy hill, and maybe even jeff capel and mike dunleavy over Scheyer

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id also prob rank guys like Cherokee Parks, Boozer, tommy hill, and maybe even jeff capel and mike dunleavy over Scheyer

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jesus christ dude

Let's give it a shot.
Random order
Laetner
Brand
Hill
Hurley
JJ
Wojo
J Williams
Battier
Then I think you start getting into 1 and done vs Sheyer vs Langdon territory