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When talking about expanding the playoff, the main argument that I hear,
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:25 pm
Is that all games should mean something and that a larger playoff pool would discourage teams from playing tough out of conference opponents.
Can someone explain this to me? Here is how I see it.
For one, with a larger playoff pool, MORE games would have meaning. For example, Friday's PAC 12 championship between USC and Stanford meant nothing. Nothing at all. With a 16 team playoff, 12 team playoff, or even and 8 game playoff, that game would have meant something. Especially if the champion of the power 5 conferences got an automatic bid. Even games like Georgia/Auburn would have had meaning with regards to seeding.
In addition, wouldn't Ohio State be in the playoff right now, if they hadn't scheduled Oklahoma in week 1? A one loss Ohio State is in over a 1 loss Alabama. But if a team can afford a loss and still make the playoff, then more power 5 teams would play each other, not less.
Can someone explain this to me? Here is how I see it.
For one, with a larger playoff pool, MORE games would have meaning. For example, Friday's PAC 12 championship between USC and Stanford meant nothing. Nothing at all. With a 16 team playoff, 12 team playoff, or even and 8 game playoff, that game would have meant something. Especially if the champion of the power 5 conferences got an automatic bid. Even games like Georgia/Auburn would have had meaning with regards to seeding.
In addition, wouldn't Ohio State be in the playoff right now, if they hadn't scheduled Oklahoma in week 1? A one loss Ohio State is in over a 1 loss Alabama. But if a team can afford a loss and still make the playoff, then more power 5 teams would play each other, not less.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:26 pm to Jax-Tiger
It certainly would increase the number of meaningful games at the end of the year for the teams in the middle or bottom of the rankings. But it would decrease the importance of games in the early and middle part of the year since recovering from a Loss or two or even three would be so much more easy to do.
Also you have the issue of a team being undefeated near the top of the rankings with a few weeks to go they've pretty much already locked up their spot and they could start resting starters or doing stupid shite like that that you see in the NFL
Also you have the issue of a team being undefeated near the top of the rankings with a few weeks to go they've pretty much already locked up their spot and they could start resting starters or doing stupid shite like that that you see in the NFL
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:28 pm to Jax-Tiger
16 teams
- All conf champs get in, eliminates that argument
- Can still schedule cupcakes. This allows the smaller programs to stay financially viable by having the big boys pay them to play
- Post season play would be entertaining with all ranked teams only playing a total of 15 games
- The UCF-type teams also get a shot
It's literally a win for everyone
NCAA/Schools - Get more $$$
Fans - Get more football
Teams - Get a shot to make a run at the title
- All conf champs get in, eliminates that argument
- Can still schedule cupcakes. This allows the smaller programs to stay financially viable by having the big boys pay them to play
- Post season play would be entertaining with all ranked teams only playing a total of 15 games
- The UCF-type teams also get a shot
It's literally a win for everyone
NCAA/Schools - Get more $$$
Fans - Get more football
Teams - Get a shot to make a run at the title
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:29 pm to Jax-Tiger
What would discourage people from scheduling tough ooc opponents is seeing Bama’s schedule this year. In the end, the FSU game didn’t matter.
If scheduling a 6-6 p5 team is good enough then let’s just do that. Sure they didn’t know they’d suck but that’s not really the point.
If scheduling a 6-6 p5 team is good enough then let’s just do that. Sure they didn’t know they’d suck but that’s not really the point.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:30 pm to dcrews
For reference, 16 team playoff schedule, week 1
Clemson vs Mich State
Oklahoma vs TCU
Georgia vs Notre Dame
Alabama vs Stanford
tOSU vs UCF
Wisconsin vs Washington
Auburn vs Miami
USC vs Penn State
Tell me that wouldn't be an epic fricking weekend to watch.
ETA: Edited to include playoff poll. Used AP poll by accident on initial post.
Clemson vs Mich State
Oklahoma vs TCU
Georgia vs Notre Dame
Alabama vs Stanford
tOSU vs UCF
Wisconsin vs Washington
Auburn vs Miami
USC vs Penn State
Tell me that wouldn't be an epic fricking weekend to watch.
ETA: Edited to include playoff poll. Used AP poll by accident on initial post.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:32 pm to dcrews
You'd have to knock at least two weeks off the regular season to make that work.
As long as those two games lost were cupcake games I guess that would be fine.
Besides I think they will try something like 6 or 8 before going to 16. 16 is needlessly too big
As long as those two games lost were cupcake games I guess that would be fine.
Besides I think they will try something like 6 or 8 before going to 16. 16 is needlessly too big
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:34 pm to IAmReality
If you want Alabama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame to make the playoffs every year until the end of time, then sure, expand the playoffs.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:38 pm to IAmReality
Drop one game and/or start a week earlier so every team has two bye weeks.
I agree, let’s see what 8 is like first. Eliminate this conference champions mess.
- P5 champs
- Two at large
- highest ranked Non p5 if ranked in top 16 and undefeated
I agree, let’s see what 8 is like first. Eliminate this conference champions mess.
- P5 champs
- Two at large
- highest ranked Non p5 if ranked in top 16 and undefeated
Posted on 12/3/17 at 5:38 pm to PRK
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If you want Alabama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame to make the playoffs every year until the end of time, then sure, expand the playoffs.
If they are good enough to be one of the best 16, then they should be in.
Sure you'd have your "LSU should be in over Sparty at 16 arguments" (or vice versa), but this eliminates everyone's gripe about a 4 team playoff.
Conf Champs are in
Eye Test teams are in
Undefeated UCF-type teams are in
We as fans get more quality football
Errybody wins
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:21 pm to IAmReality
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it would decrease the importance of games in the early and middle part of the year since recovering from a Loss or two or even three would be so much more easy to do.
My point would be that we would get more great matchups in the early part of the season because teams would realize that they can recover from an early loss, and would be more willing to schedule those types of games. Again, I say that Ohio State would be in the Championship game if they had not played Oklahoma in week 1.
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Also you have the issue of a team being undefeated near the top of the rankings with a few weeks to go they've pretty much already locked up their spot and they could start resting starters or doing stupid shite like that that you see in the NFL
I disagree. Look at the rankings, now. In an 8 team playoff, a loss by a top ranked team means that they end up playing Alabama instead of say, Miami in the first round. Seeding should be important. Maybe even have a 12 team format where 4 teams get a bye in the first round.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:25 pm to dcrews
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Tell me that wouldn't be an epic fricking weekend to watch.
And you know what? Every single damn one of those games would matter. A lot.
So there would be a lot more meaningful games. Not less.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:30 pm to IAmReality
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You'd have to knock at least two weeks off the regular season to make that work.
As long as those two games lost were cupcake games I guess that would be fine.
Nope. Division II has a 28 team playoff. It works out fine for them. If you have the first round during Christmas week. and the last round in mid-January, we'll be fine. The schedule would be 2 weeks longer - for two teams.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:35 pm to dcrews
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Sure you'd have your "LSU should be in over Sparty at 16 arguments"
My philosophy on this is that if you're arguing for that 16th spot, then you don't really deserve to win the title anyway. At that point, I think the committee should look less at the body of work, and more at which team was the hottest at the time. LSU wins 6 out of the last 7 and Sparty loses 3 of their last 5. LSU would be a team that could play up and make waves in the playoff.
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