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re: What is the history behind La tech and ULM not playing more often?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:18 pm to Sugarloaf
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:18 pm to Sugarloaf
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We aren't talking about them
You used bowl game invites as your reasoning and only reasoning as to why they are even.
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In a conversation about Tech and ULM, those two are on the same lap. Anybody from Tech who thinks they're even on a higher tier than ULM--or any FBS program, for that matter--is just a typical Techster fantasizing about something that, despite all that hard work and effort, hasn't even come close to happening because of one reason: Louisiana Tech just isn't good enough.
I now feel like an idiot for taking the bait. Kudos, solid troll, but you sold it a little too hard to be believable.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:22 pm to Junky
quote:We're talking about football. Cute treehouse or whatever.
It is hard to pay for a new press box when you are playing ULM...how's that corner-endzone KFC shack working?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:23 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Viator has to win with these recruits before he can make headway and start to compete with Tech
This guy may get it. However, I am not sure ULM even has many head to head battles with Tech in local recruiting since I am pretty sure the previous coaching staff spent all it's time chasing JUCO's and kids in Texas. I will disagree with you on the next to the next level talent wanting to go elsewhere. I know several Neville kids that were studs that basically were not even offered by the previous regime even after expressing genuine interest to stay at home and play. That's the kids ULM has to target and forget about the ones that are awe struck by Bradshaw's rings.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:43 pm to MWP
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However, I am not sure ULM even has many head to head battles with Tech in local recruiting since I am pretty sure the previous coaching staff spent all it's time chasing JUCO's and kids in Texas.
They had to. Could they have at least tried to go head to head with some local kids? Absolutely, but they had to win to have anything to show a kid.
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I will disagree with you on the next to the next level talent wanting to go elsewhere. I know several Neville kids that were studs that basically were not even offered by the previous regime even after expressing genuine interest to stay at home and play.
On some occasions, absolutely. Is that the norm? No. Some kids will go to ULM unless they get an offer from LSU, but that is a kid every 10?!? 15 years. I have no doubt some kids would stay and go to ULM vs going to a school hours away, but in general I think my observation of where NLa talent ends up is pretty solid.
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That's the kids ULM has to target and forget about the ones that are awe struck by Bradshaw's rings.
It's not just the rings. Tech can point at what 9-10 or more guys drafted the past three seasons? Four or five recent bowl wins? An end zone facility that made me see Tech differently when I got to tour it last April. The thing is Tech has all that and a coach who kids know. The kids left after the dust has settled are few and far between. Viator can win and be competitive at ULM, but he can't do it with just NLa talent. As vast as that pool is per capita, the talent realistically available to ULM is not going to be a consistent 8-9 win team even in the Sun Belt. It could be good for depth and fan interest, may even find a gem like Tech did in Dixon or Taylor recently, but ULM needs JUCOs and TX players for now and the foreseeable future if they want to start winning.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:43 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:I don't know if you know what FPI is, but I just used it to run 1000 simulations of a neutral site game between Tech and ULM; amazingly, Tech won 667 of them, which is pretty on-the-money in terms of the series history.
wide separation
I then ran the same simulation between Alabama and Georgia, and Alabama won 742 of them.
My conclusion: the difference between Alabama and Georgia is greater than the difference between ULM and Tech.
Tech laps no one. This is Louisiana Tech. It's nothing.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:45 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:...in a conversation about two schools who aren't TCU.
You used bowl game invites as your reasoning and only reasoning as to why they are even.
quote:Job-related research, actually.
solid troll
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:56 pm to AwesomeSauce
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but ULM needs JUCOs and TX players for now and the foreseeable future if they want to start winning.
True and I agree but there should be a higher emphasis on recruiting local talent is the point I am trying to make. Viator needs to get tight with the local coaches and get in these kids heads that they have a Div 1 school in their backyard and they can get noticed by the league just as quick as an SEC guy since holy shite, they play those schools and if you can match up with them, the film doesn't lie.
I'm not saying at all that Viator needs to abandon his connections with South LA or Texas or JUCO's to a limited degree. Honestly, I think the Houston area is wide open for even schools like ULM to come and recruit.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:58 pm to Sugarloaf
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but I just used it to run 1000 simulations of a neutral site game between Tech and ULM; amazingly, Tech won 667 of them, which is pretty on-the-money in terms of the series history.
Avg score? I am very aware what FPI is and understand how the simulations work. I just don't see how a -18.8 FPI team would win 333 games against a +4 FPI team. It's possible I guess.
Avg score would give a better picture of how close the schools actually are. I would imagine the only games where ULM was within 10 points were it's own wins, but it's your simulation, so please provide a more in-depth view of your simulation.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:02 pm to Sugarloaf
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...in a conversation about two schools who aren't TCU.
I was pointing out the idiocy of your validation of one season and one bowl game equating the two programs as similar.
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Job-related research, actually.
You must work at either the New-Star or in the ULM AD office. There is nowhere else anyone would make the same level argument for Tech and ULM and not be fighting back laughter.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:07 pm to AwesomeSauce
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the New-Star
The dude wouldn't be pimping ULM if he worked there. Those News Star World guys are firmly up Tech's anus. I can't believe any true ULM fan would even subscribes to that paper. It's really sad when your own local paper gives more props to a school not even in the same town (or parish for that matter) and Ruston has it's own paper.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:16 pm to MWP
The News-Star had two beat writers. One dedicated to ULM, the other did Tech, Grambling, and HS sports. In fairness The News-Star can't avoid Tech athletics, and football rules the roost in NLa, which means Tech gets a month plus of more coverage the past several years than ULM.
I got rid of my subscription because I didn't pay much attention to it anymore, and it seems like there were only a handful of non-AP stories a day. So maybe it became more egregious, but I would say After LSU and the Saints, that Tech and ULM had a pretty fair split of headlines. Though Isabella did seem to be better writer than Hunsucker even though he had to cover more.
I got rid of my subscription because I didn't pay much attention to it anymore, and it seems like there were only a handful of non-AP stories a day. So maybe it became more egregious, but I would say After LSU and the Saints, that Tech and ULM had a pretty fair split of headlines. Though Isabella did seem to be better writer than Hunsucker even though he had to cover more.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:25 pm to Dire Wolf
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Is this just La tech think ULM is below them? Sort of their way of Not wanting to legitimize a school they are recruiting against Or is there more a political story to this?
Maybe its got to do with desired location of the games. ULM might want the series to rotate back and forth between Ruston and Monroe, but if Tech views ULM as inferior then they may not want to give up a non-conference home game to play at the home stadium of a team they view as inferior.
ETA: My post is just speculation based on how I remember the Tulane-LSU series being put on hold because Tulane wanted to host every 3rd game and LSU balked at giving up a non-conference home game to let Tulane host a home game at the Superdome that would end up being 75% LSU fans attending.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:50 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:Even more possible when you take off the Tech glasses.
I just don't see how a -18.8 FPI team would win 333 games against a +4 FPI team. It's possible I guess.
Tech is #82 in preseason FPI; ULM is #123. In arithmetical terms:
Memphis - Tech = Tech - ULM
The guy who hangs his hat on that is the guy who bought the hat at the Grambling Stop 'n' Shop.
As far as average score, I didn't include that in the simulation, and that would take a lot of work that I don't feel like doing.
Sorry.quote:I live nowhere near Louisiana, and I do not work in journalism. And 99% of this country's college football fans can't name a single player on either team, putting them, for all intents and purposes, on the same level. Both programs are like guys who make five figures playing the stock market.
You must work at either the New-Star or in the ULM AD office. There is nowhere else anyone would make the same level argument for Tech and ULM and not be fighting back laughter.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:07 pm to Sugarloaf
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I don't know if you know what FPI is, but I just used it to run 1000 simulations of a neutral site game between Tech and ULM; amazingly, Tech won 667 of them, which is pretty on-the-money in terms of the series history.
you mean like those election simulations that said Hillary had a 98% chance of beating Trump?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:09 pm to hsfolk
No, this is something else.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:26 pm to Sugarloaf
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Even more possible when you take off the Tech glasses.
I'm a fan of G5 football. I won't cry if Tech goes 11-1 with a loss on Oct 21, just as long as that's in their L column I'm fine.
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Tech is #82 in preseason FPI; ULM is #123.
Ahhh, I was basing mine off 2016 final FPI. Just too much movement in the preseason to be relied on as a truly accurate assessment IMO.
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As far as average score, I didn't include that in the simulation, and that would take a lot of work that I don't feel like doing. Sorry.
No problem, I get it. I ran a 10 game using the 2016 data with an avg score of 46.6 to 21.3, with Tech going 8-2. I cheated and used an online simulator so I honestly don't know how well it was setup.
quote:You could say the same thing about Boise
I live nowhere near Louisiana, and I do not work in journalism. And 99% of this country's college football fans can't name a single player on either team, putting them, for all intents and purposes, on the same level.
. I think our views are just different. You see CFB as two maybe three tiered. I see it as having many many tiers. What you see as the same tier I have as four or five tiers. Not that there is anything wrong with either view. I just feel that a tiered breakdown of college football doesn't stop after breaking down P5 schools and throwing the Vandy, Kansas', and Washington States into the others category and being done. It's a bit of a disservice to say that this conference and every team in it is here and so on and so forth. We don't weigh Oklahoma and Iowa State the same, why should Tech and FAU or App State and NM State weigh the same?
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:32 pm to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:37 pm to AwesomeSauce
Interesting stuff. Nothing we've discussed justifies Tech's line of thinking regarding not playing ULM. This is like Zack Morris joining the Rigmas. It was stupid of him not to hang out with Screech afterward, and it's stupid of Tech to avoid ULM. Like we've said in this thread, there is a lot of football talent in NLA, and bragging rights in the region would mean more than everything Tech has "accomplished" in the last 30 years.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:43 pm to Sugarloaf
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bragging rights in the region would mean more than everything Tech has "accomplished" in the last 30 years.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:43 pm to hsfolk
Go ahead and list the accomplishments, then.
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