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re: What are the best colors to buy when it comes to Panini Prizm cards?

Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:23 pm to
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Also an SCG or whatever trash that grading company is means absolutely 0. Thing would most likely cross as a legitimate 8 in an actual grading company.


I don't know if you're referring to my CSG slabs or not, but if you are, you are incredibly ignorant
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:26 pm to
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you are incredibly ignorant


I can assure you I’m not, and that is a trash grading company no one values.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:29 pm to
The most well known grader across all collectibles is a trash company
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:32 pm to
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The most well known grader across all collectibles is a trash company


This statement doesn’t even value a retort.

It’s cool that you collect what you want to collect, but you clearly have no idea what is going on and should not be giving advice to anyone
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:34 pm to
I'd love to hear your explanation as to what makes this company such a trash company
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:36 pm to
CSG is pretty reputable bro. They grade pretty damn hard. A CSG 10 is almost impossible to get. It’s like a BGS 10. If he wanted to get it crossed over to BGS or PSA, he’d have no difficulties getting a great grade.

Value wise the market has not caught up on CSG, but it’s due to their green labels with a lot of white space more than anything. The company is solid. The grades mean something. The actual physical slab is awesome. They just need to tweak the label.

All that being said, this particular card does not look all that bad with the green CSG label.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 11:29 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:40 pm to
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Value wise the market has not caught up on CSG, but it’s due to their green labels with a lot of white space more than anything. The company is solid. The grades mean something. The actual physical slab is awesome. They just need to tweak the label


CSG is behind on pricing bc they're the only company you can get junk slabs graded with right now. If you send a base or unnumbered prizm in and it doesn't come back 9.5 or 10, you're pretty SOL on getting your money back.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:42 pm to
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I'd love to hear your explanation as to what makes this company such a trash company


No one that’s knows what they’re doing would ever slab a card with them.

I have 0 of these slabs and have honestly never even seen one in the circles of legitimate collectors.

Again, if you like it and it’s your pc then that’s great. Everyone should collect what they like and feel comfortable with.

But there’s a reason your showing off a collegiate prizm card in this slab, you’d never see a Burrow NT rookie in one of those things
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:43 pm to
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CSG is pretty reputable bro. They grade pretty damn hard. A CSG 10 is almost impossible to get. It’s like a BGS 10. If he wanted to get it crossed over to BGS or PSA, he’d have no difficulties getting a great great.


No. They’re not.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:45 pm to
So you have absolutely zero reasoning behind calling them a trash company

But it's highly laughable you call them easy graders when PSA is getting hammered about their grading right now. They are playing roulette to decide their grades on pokemon cards now

And as far as a NT JB9, I would send that to PSA too since it would easily be worth the $350 to get it graded through them. I'm not going to be sending my PC cards worth under $1k to PSA for $200ea

And to make it all so much better for PSA, I have probably $15-20k in Pokemon cards that have been there since November of 2020
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:48 pm to
I just told you, it’s a trash slab bc no one that knows what they’re doing respects it.

It’s a waste of time money and effort to put a card in it.

The purpose of grading a card is to lock in its condition by a company that is respected by knowledgeable collectors.

There’s hundreds of these type of companies and people who know what they’re doing will crack them and send the cards into Psa or bgs.

I’m not sure how to be more clear on my reasoning.

Again however, if you think they look good and are happy with it in your Pc then that’s awesome, everyone should collect what they like and what makes them happy at a level they’re comfortable with.
Posted by Notorious H O G
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:49 pm to
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PSA is king…no debate.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:51 pm to
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The purpose of grading a card is to lock in its condition by a company that is respected by knowledgeable collectors.


Oh my god, you might be retarded. CSG is highly regarded right now for their conditions. I think you are genuinely getting it confused with SGC. CGC and CSG are slowly bringing in more and more high level cards through their subs because of their difficulty to grade

They've been grading collectibles for nearly 30 some odd years, and came around to trading cards in late 2019 and early 2020. Obviously they don't have the pull of a PSA and BGS right now, but they won't be going away anytime soon like most of the other bullshite grading companies
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:54 pm to
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But it's highly laughable you call them easy graders when PSA is getting hammered about their grading right now. They are playing roulette to decide their grades on pokemon cards now And as far as a NT JB9, I would send that to PSA too since it would easily be worth the $350 to get it graded through them. I'm not going to be sending my PC cards worth under $1k to PSA for $200ea And to make it all so much better for PSA, I have probably $15-20k in Pokemon cards that have been there since November of 2020



Psa’s cheapest is currently 104
BGS has a 50 dollar level back.

Let’s try and brace ourselves here for a moment as well.

The reason they got so bogged down and the prices went up was because people like you were grading all these junk cards (see anyone’s college prizm rookie) that didn’t need to be slabbed.

I also agree with you, yes it would be crazy to send that card to Psa or bgs, bc it’s not slab worthy, bc it’s not valuable.

Which brings us back to my original point, if you like it and you want to collect it then that’s cool, but that doesn’t make what you’re saying right or the other slab company legit in the circles of people who know what they’re doing.

The OP was asking for advice on what card he should buy that may increase in value. A college prizm card in a whatever the name of the slab company was is junk inside of junk in terms of an investment
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:56 pm to
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SGC


Is the 3rd most legit grading company.

I’m not confusing anything.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:14 pm to
What is the better option out of these two cards

Or
Posted by TiGeRTeRRoR
Member since Nov 2003
19886 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:23 pm to
First is just a base card. Second is a card that came in a full Donruss set with all cards being Press Proof with the gold. Second is rarer and would be more valuable since the grades are the same.

Also I’ve never seen anyone vouch for CSG before. Regardless of how strict they grade, their slabs don’t add value. LSUMNCBABY’s advice is dead on.

If it’s for PC go with the slab you like. If it’s for value PSA > BGS > SGC > everyone else. Everyone knows PSA grades wonky sometimes, but fact is, it still adds more value than any other slab.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
19134 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:32 pm to
PSA 10 is definitely still king, that's irrefutable.

The order is definitely PSA>BGS>CSG. SGC has a hard time properly authenticating cards

I'm mostly arguing with the other guy about his terrible takes on CSG

Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7725 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:41 pm to
Nobody is vouching for CSG over any other grading company, but they do have merit and that 10 grade means something.

Sometimes I target CSG cards with high grades and crack them out and regrade. Because I understand the value of PSA and BGS vs CSG, but I respect CSG’s grading standards. The actual acrylic they use for their slabs is very high quality. They literally just need to change their labels and they will be fine.

PSA and BGS will prob always be king, but there is space for CSG, SGC, and HGA depending on what type of cards you are buying and what your goals are as a collector.

CSG graded cards are a good way to guarantee the quality of a card. Usually they go for around raw pricing. The best thing to do is find a CSG 9.5 or 10 and crack it and resub somewhere else. Vs buying a random raw card and praying the condition is good.

SGC is great for vintage and their pricing and turnaround times are currently the best. I also am noticing SGC graded modern cards are selling for significantly higher than raw lately.

HGA is great for custom slabs and also horizontal slabs. Great company for PC and colorful cards. Their grades generally mean something too because certain aspects are graded by an objective computer program vs the other companies just using the eye test of random human graders that aren’t as consistent if they are mad, sad, sleepy, ready for the day to end, worried about pop counts, etc.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:59 am to
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I'm mostly arguing with the other guy about his terrible takes on CSG


No serious collector has any CSG slabs dude. This is not up for debate.
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