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re: Warriors should be scared part two

Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:14 pm to
Dude. The thunder winning small is new. The Warriors death line up getting blown off the floor is new! WHAT THE frick ARE YOU SMOKING?!
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:15 pm to
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Guys, curry last night was not the problem for this team.


Tough to say that when he turned in the 17th worst +/- in the league this year. Thompson turned in the 10th worse and Green was the 2nd worst.

They sucked as a unit. When they were on the floor the Thunder were taking it to them. Hard to argue otherwise, regardless of Curry's counting stats.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:15 pm to
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The thunder winning small is new. The Warriors death line up getting blown off the floor is new!
yes. The fact that it actually worked is new. The fact that the thunder have tried to do so with this lineup is not
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:17 pm to
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like i don't feel like the free throws disparity is any result of poor officiating


Me either, and it isn't necessarily the end-all, be-all metric for the Warriors either, but it is a huge deal for the Thunder.

If they're not getting to the line, it is unlikely they're playing the style of basketball that is conducive to a win against Golden State. You simply cannot go toe to toe with them in a jump shooting contest or you'll get blown out.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:18 pm to
Sounds like you aren't giving the thunder a chance. Is this right??????
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:20 pm to
I'm not saying that. They are up 2-1. That's a good position to be in. I just don't think they have figured the Warriors out and that they have finally found a way to beat the Warriors when they go small. I don't think the Warriors should be scared and I won't think so unless the thunder win game 4 or 5
Posted by UNO
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:21 pm to
i definitely took a lot from that game on super bowl eve. regular season games can only mean so much. but that night made me think the thunder were the biggest challenge in the west to the warriors, more than the spurs.
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my hot takes on here have literally all been supported by stats

stats about the thunder going small, which i really haven't argued about. i'm not talking about them going small.

LINK

you mentioned before that their bigs aren't great at guarding screens. i think on the ball and off the ball, they're pretty decent. in game 1 especially. obviously speaking about ibaka and adams
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:23 pm to
Ok. They haven't figured the Warriors out yet they are up 2-1. Ok dipshit.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:29 pm to
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you mentioned before that their bigs aren't great at guarding screens
they arent. Kanter is awful. He has one of the worst PPP defenses in P&R situations. Adams is mediocre at best. This is what the stats say and I'd post them but I can't get them to pull up on my phone.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:30 pm to
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yes. The fact that it actually worked is new. The fact that the thunder have tried to do so with this lineup is not


THE SWORDSMAN IS NOW ABLE TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENT LEFT-HANDED!
Posted by UNO
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:31 pm to
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yes. The fact that it actually worked is new. The fact that the thunder have tried to do so with this lineup is not

so what exactly are you arguing? because the thunder didn't win any games in the regular season, that means they don't have some advantages they can exploit against golden state? it's a lot different playing a team one time in the regular season, throwing together a scouting report the day before or morning of, going out and playing the game, then getting on the plane and heading to the next city.

and that game that the thunder lost by double digits against golden state in the regular season, they played on the road against the clippers the night before. and the thunder were leading going into the 4th quarter and then ran out of gas.

i think you're severely underestimating how competitive okc and golden state's games have been this season. w/l results aren't everything.
Posted by UNO
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:33 pm to
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they arent. Kanter is awful. He has one of the worst PPP defenses in P&R situations.

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obviously speaking about ibaka and adams

because any of us think kanter is

it's like you make these obvious points and act like you're providing some riveting information.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:35 pm to
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so what exactly are you arguing?
the exact thing you are arguing for as to why the thunder can beat the Warriors because of their ability to have their big men defend the P&R while being able to switch and help on the perimeter. They have tried to that vs the Warriors all year and it always failed. They always had a +/- in the negative whenever they went small. My argument has nothing to do with the game outcomes and everything to do with how the thunder have played when they have tried to do the thing you guys are lauding them for
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:35 pm to
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it's not new. it's just new.

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it's exactly the same. except this time it's different.


this dude is the fricking yogi berra of nba analysis.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:37 pm to
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it's like you make these obvious points and act like you're providing some riveting information.
no I'm not

You have been in this whole thread arguing why the thunder can beat the Warriors and are acting like the Warriors don't do that exact thing at a literal historical level. My argument was that their bigs don't do well defending the P&R. They can help that by going small to let Durant and ibaka disrupt it. However, when they have done so before last night, it never worked
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:38 pm to
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this dude is the fricking yogi berra of nba analysis.

coming from the person who thinks the thunder have just magically found out how their small ball lineup is going to win
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:39 pm to
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They have tried to that vs the Warriors all year and it always failed.



such failure. losing in overtime, losing a game down to the wire on the road, and then losing a game on a back-to-back on the road where they were leading in the 4th quarter.
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They always had a +/- in the negative whenever they went small. My argument has nothing to do with the game outcomes and everything to do with how the thunder have played when they have tried to do the thing you guys are lauding them for

again, i never mentioned anything about the thunder going small. you're like a broken record.

and the thunder aren't the same team they were in february and march. they are defending a lot better. the effort is better. that's been a point a lot of commentators are making. they are a much improved team. i believe this much improved team matches up well with golden state. period.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:45 pm to
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they are defending a lot better.
this is the only game I can say the thunder actually defended the Warriors well. And that has a lot to do with how well their small ball lineup played against the Warriors
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i believe this much improved team matches up well with golden state. period
and I disagree. I think the cavs match up pretty well
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:50 pm to
well, it would be pretty impressive then for the thunder to win this series despite not having many matchup advantages, wouldn't it?

and i think the cavs match up better against the warriors too. i firmly believe the cavs would beat the warriors. that doesn't mean the thunder can't match up decently well too.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:50 pm to
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well, it would be pretty impressive then for the thunder to win this series despite not having many matchup advantages, wouldn't it
it would be really impressive
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i firmly believe the cavs would beat the warriors
I think the cavs have the best chance
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