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re: Vlade Divac takes shot at Cousins as trade becomes official
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:46 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:46 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
3 said they wouldn't give up two picks. Most of those (2) I reckon wouldn't even give up a pick + a player. Zero backtracking. Why don't you just listen to it yourself?
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:48 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Prove it.
Statistically players peak in mid to late 20's regardless of when they came in the league. Player production typically falls into a bell curve with age. Davis when he was Embiid's age put up 24 and 10 in a 30 PER season.
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And just because it is the case more times than not doesn't mean it is the case all the time. And specifically in this one.
So because you feel a need to troll the Pels fans on TD you are going to ignore long standing statistical evidence. Got it.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:54 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Post the link.
Long standing statistical evidence my word.
id say embiid is a special situation and not your typical case. this is like saying the 15th pick is a bust 50% so if the Spurs have the pick and if the kings have the pick it is a 50% bust rate for both teams. Just lazy lazy as can be.
Long standing statistical evidence my word.
id say embiid is a special situation and not your typical case. this is like saying the 15th pick is a bust 50% so if the Spurs have the pick and if the kings have the pick it is a 50% bust rate for both teams. Just lazy lazy as can be. Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:55 pm to Boomshockalocka
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3 said they wouldn't give up two picks. Most of those (2) I reckon wouldn't even give up a pick + a player. Zero backtracking. Why don't you just listen to it yourself?
Let me get this straight - Ringer lists several teams with better offers
- Vertical sources 3 teams not willing to beat New Orleans offer
What about these stories conflicts at all? Don't know if you can count but the rest of the league isn't 3 teams. Not surprising that there are teams not willing to gamble on Cousins with his baggage. Your long standing point that the best they could due is the garbage from Pels is untrue from basically all of the reporting done in the past 24 hours.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:56 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Ringer lists Several teams with better offers? Not quite. Try again.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
Your stamina is excellent.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:06 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
You should be embarrassed for posting those links. and no embiid and Griffin aren't the same. Griffin had played more organized games by the time he was in HS than embiid had in his life before this year.
and no embiid and Griffin aren't the same. Griffin had played more organized games by the time he was in HS than embiid had in his life before this year. Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
sacramento assuming the pick is 4-10, that means theoretically there's 9 teams that go into that range that could give a young player + pick.
Brooklyn: sent pick to boston, no future at the moment. Boston said they're looking to acquire a SF (George/Butler).
Phoenix: not willing to part with bledsoe or booker, Len and Bender aren't moving needles either.
LA Lakers: D-Lo and Randle, but Sacramento wanted Ingram. Ingram as not available to be traded
Minnesota: didn't want or need him (KAT)
Philly: didn't want or need him (Embiid)
NY Knicks: Not giving up Porzingis
Charlotte: not giving up walker, MKG is bad, Batum and Williams are old, frank the tank isn't a needle mover either.
Orlando: already have vucevic, fournier ($$$), gordon, payton? Nah.
Dallas: Curry, DFS, williams, and 1st
I think people are mistaking the infatuation played a HUGE role. Dallas or Lakers above trade alone has more potential than the Pelicans' trade.
Brooklyn: sent pick to boston, no future at the moment. Boston said they're looking to acquire a SF (George/Butler).
Phoenix: not willing to part with bledsoe or booker, Len and Bender aren't moving needles either.
LA Lakers: D-Lo and Randle, but Sacramento wanted Ingram. Ingram as not available to be traded
Minnesota: didn't want or need him (KAT)
Philly: didn't want or need him (Embiid)
NY Knicks: Not giving up Porzingis
Charlotte: not giving up walker, MKG is bad, Batum and Williams are old, frank the tank isn't a needle mover either.
Orlando: already have vucevic, fournier ($$$), gordon, payton? Nah.
Dallas: Curry, DFS, williams, and 1st
I think people are mistaking the infatuation played a HUGE role. Dallas or Lakers above trade alone has more potential than the Pelicans' trade.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:09 pm to Boomshockalocka
And embiid averages more points per 36 as a rookie and slightly fewer rebounds than Davis.
Blocks. Assists! Oh yea both favor embiid.
As a rookie.
Oh and he's got 3 PT range and is a better defender. Even though he was out for 2 years and had only played 60-70 organized
Games in his life prior to this year. But yea he could never be as good as Davis.
THere's a reason other players are already calling him probably the most skilled big man in the league. As a rookie.
Blocks. Assists! Oh yea both favor embiid.
As a rookie.
Oh and he's got 3 PT range and is a better defender. Even though he was out for 2 years and had only played 60-70 organized
Games in his life prior to this year. But yea he could never be as good as Davis.
THere's a reason other players are already calling him probably the most skilled big man in the league. As a rookie.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:11 pm to htran90
They could maybe be called better deals.... But they are still crap for a player of cousins talent. Not arguable.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
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You should be embarrassed for posting those links. and no embiid and Griffin aren't the same.
So you are not disputing the data? I really don't care who wrote the articles all of the data in them is easily sourced. Are you going on record saying that players don't peak in the mid 20's or are being intentionally obtuse?
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Griffin had played more organized games by the time he was in HS than embiid had in his life before this year.
Why does this matter at all? Plenty of people with the same story of starting basketball late still never developed those skills. What a weak argument
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:19 pm to Boomshockalocka
Guess Embiid > KAT > AD
right?
per 36
better 3pt shooter
better passer
better defender
better BPM
better VORP
better PER
right?
per 36
better 3pt shooter
better passer
better defender
better BPM
better VORP
better PER
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:22 pm to htran90
Never said he was better than Davis or towns. Based on how he has played his rookie year he could clearly surpass both. You have all been saying you want Davis over other, better players based on potential for years. And then throw a little fit when someone chooses a different player than Davis based on that same potential.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:38 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Never said he was better than Davis or towns. Based on how he has played his rookie year he could clearly surpass both. You have all been saying you want Davis over other, better players based on potential for years. And then throw a little fit when someone chooses a different player than Davis based on that same potential.
difference in comparing apples to oranges.
Embiid is in the same situation as griffin when he came into the league. Injury, got to sit out the year (or 2) and work with NBA caliber coaching staff. Yes, he's only played 60 or so games of high school-college basketball. Even still to be ranked #1 overall and a 5* recruit you had to be damned good or showed a lot of talent. The amount of games doesn't mean squat.
On the other hand, AD wasn't even considered a potential NBA player until his growth spurts and even then he wasn't noticed until his spring junior year. about the same time as Embiid. Both have had unique stories. I also wouldn't consider playing for a nerd school where you practiced at a nearby church that much more organized than what Embiid's story was.
KAT has far more potential than the both of them still.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:42 pm to htran90
He worked with an NBA caliber coaching staff? what a joke He was in a walking boot and wasn't even practicing til the summer. if you can't get out there and practice an 'NBA coaching staff' can't do much and is in no way an advantage over anyone who is able to get out there and actually play the game. Utterly Laughable how fans will discredit embiids rookie performance bc of stuff like "NBA coaching staff" when he wasn't taking contact and wearing a walking boot for over 75% of the prior two years.
KAT seems a little soft to me. Too nice. Doesn't have that dog in him.
KAT seems a little soft to me. Too nice. Doesn't have that dog in him.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:56 pm to Boomshockalocka
It isn't always about practice. Film study matters, having basketball IQ matters, doing drills matter, and Embiid has done it all in his 2 years recovering.
Not practice, but still working with coaches and working on his technique and form nonetheless. There as one from Feb 2015 that showed how fluid he was offensively, you could see if his health wasn't an issue he'd be a star regardless.
dude is a star if he's healthy, but comparing his 'rookie' season to a true 'rookie' is a tad different.
Not practice, but still working with coaches and working on his technique and form nonetheless. There as one from Feb 2015 that showed how fluid he was offensively, you could see if his health wasn't an issue he'd be a star regardless.
dude is a star if he's healthy, but comparing his 'rookie' season to a true 'rookie' is a tad different.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:25 am to Tigerfan56
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Oh shite. Peej v Boom? That's the MSB equivalent of an epic gold medal match in the special Olympics
More like a relegation death match.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:24 pm to htran90
You mean infatuation with buddy.
In minds eye. Firing 3's
In minds eye. Firing 3's
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