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re: UFC 129: George St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:14 am to SmackDaniels
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:14 am to SmackDaniels
pretty predictable
he was going to either land it on couture or on his trainer in a fantasy fifth round after the fight
he was going to either land it on couture or on his trainer in a fantasy fifth round after the fight
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:16 am to Acreboy
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it was a good shot, i wouldn't call it a difference maker. oh and he freaking blinded GSP i'd probably call that a difference maker
Knockdowns:
GSP 2 Shields 0
Takedowns
GSP 3 Shields 0
GSP out boxed him also, although it looks like Shields did a bit more damage.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:17 am to TigerLunatik
Shields has not looked good at welterweight since he joined the UFC. I think the weight cut takes to much out of him. He should move back up to middleweight.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:17 am to SmackDaniels
Good card till the predictably dull GSP fight.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:18 am to joey barton
ummm...I'm no doctor but uh...he might want to get that looked at
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:19 am to SmackDaniels
Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
- How in God's name did one of the judges score this fight 50-45? There is NO way Aldo won EVERY round. He clearly won the fight, but I don't see how anyone could say that Aldo won that last round for sure.
George St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
- Same issue in this fight, one judge gives GSP every round and the other 2 judges scored it 3 rounds for GSP and 2 for Shields ...
Obviously, the bottom line in MMA is NEVER leave the fight to the judges, but for there to be THAT much disparity in 2 separate title fights on the same card is something I think needs to be addressed ... a more unified way of scoring needs to be put into place ... as long as it doesn't involve a red challenge flag haha
- How in God's name did one of the judges score this fight 50-45? There is NO way Aldo won EVERY round. He clearly won the fight, but I don't see how anyone could say that Aldo won that last round for sure.
George St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
- Same issue in this fight, one judge gives GSP every round and the other 2 judges scored it 3 rounds for GSP and 2 for Shields ...
Obviously, the bottom line in MMA is NEVER leave the fight to the judges, but for there to be THAT much disparity in 2 separate title fights on the same card is something I think needs to be addressed ... a more unified way of scoring needs to be put into place ... as long as it doesn't involve a red challenge flag haha
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:19 am to SmackDaniels
The fact that GSP couldn't see out of one eye...... I mean Shields should have just thrown nothing but rights. Right head kicks, Right hooks.......just everything going at his blind side. Surely he would have landed some good shots.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:22 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Exactly right, with the UFC expanding, getting a second or third title shot is going to a thing of the past ... at some point in the fight, you have to take the fight to GSP and fight to WIN and not play it so safe ... of course that is easy for me to say from my living room haha
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:25 am to TigerLunatik
it was like he was trying to fight like the diaz brothers in that fight. Not the right time to try that against someone who is one of the best with technical boxing.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:30 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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The fact that GSP couldn't see out of one eye...... I mean Shields should have just thrown nothing but rights. Right head kicks, Right hooks.......just everything going at his blind side. Surely he would have landed some good shots.
WE know he couldn't see out of it, but how was Jake or his corner supposed to now. The only clue was the audio between rounds that WE got on tv. It's not like GSP was favoring it heavily.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:32 am to KingwoodLsuFan
That is a very interesting observation, considering that is who he trains with ... but, you are right, the diaz brothers fight that way out of necessity due to their incredible hand speed and arm lengths ... shields is built more like guilbert melendez, with heavier hands ... i would have been interested to see if shields could have landed some counter kicks to the sides of GSP ala the keith jardine/chuck liddell fight ... i just wish those guys would not have fought so tight and put more combinations together .... hell, some of the ultimate fighter fights this season have had better game plans
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:32 am to SmackDaniels
Great card however you looked at it.
Mad props to Couture for going out like a soldier which he is(although not a fan of you Army guys
)
The Aldo/Hominick fight should've been stopped but who doesn't want to see a rematch between these two?
GSP is on the downslope of his career. Right now The Spider would KO him early, somebody needs to get with Jake and help him with his stand up, he could've won that fight.
Rory Macdonald is definitely the future of this sport. Young, athletic guys straight off the street looking to make a name for themselves. I swear there are a couple of guys at the gym I go to that would put on a good show on any card the UFC put out.
Mad props to Couture for going out like a soldier which he is(although not a fan of you Army guys
) The Aldo/Hominick fight should've been stopped but who doesn't want to see a rematch between these two?
GSP is on the downslope of his career. Right now The Spider would KO him early, somebody needs to get with Jake and help him with his stand up, he could've won that fight.
Rory Macdonald is definitely the future of this sport. Young, athletic guys straight off the street looking to make a name for themselves. I swear there are a couple of guys at the gym I go to that would put on a good show on any card the UFC put out.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:38 am to Bama Doug
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WE know he couldn't see out of it, but how was Jake or his corner supposed to now. The only clue was the audio between rounds that WE got on tv. It's not like GSP was favoring it heavily.
I think that the fact that GSP was fairly obviously having trouble finding the range on his punches and kicks, his overall tentativeness and the swelling of the eye was enough for someone in corner of Shields, if not Shields himself, to realize that the should at least test GSP's reaction time with some jabs and then maybe some fakes and then go from there ...
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:42 am to TigerLunatik
he just looks uncomfortable striking but it looked like his corner wanted him to box with GSP. As a fighter you never abandon your strength you have to at least try for some strong double leg takedowns. He had zero effort in his takedown attempts.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:50 am to KingwoodLsuFan
normally i would completely agree with you on this ... BUT, GSP is probably the toughest fighter to take down and then, if you do take him down, you better get in his full guard or he will wrestle you to shreds ... that being said ... IF sheilds could have gotten GSP down and did manage to operated from the top, he would have expended a LOT of energy and at that point I think the advantage that shields would have in that position would have been negated by GSP's conditioning ... just my opinion .... i've seen shields take a lot of guys down and ground and pound them into oblivion, but no one that caliber of a GSP
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:52 am to smash williams
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although not a fan of you Army guys
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:55 am to TigerLunatik
I'm saying this in this case because Shields had to know he wasn't going to win this fight on the feet plain and simple. My plan for him would have been try to hold GSP down for 3 rounds and take the decision. Do all he can to get a takedown and trust his chin because GSP doesn't have flash knockout power. It's like in football you can't abandon your best receiver just because the other team has a shutdown corner.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:01 am to smash williams
quote:
The Aldo/Hominick fight should've been stopped
Why do you think
This?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:24 am to SmackDaniels
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although not a fan of you Army guys
Dude, if you ain't heard we(Marines) don't exactly get along with Army guys or any other Military branch for obvious reasons. One of the reasons I put a LOL emoticon, I respect the Army out of all the others even though I've worked with the Navy a lot more.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:26 am to KingwoodLsuFan
I definitely understand your point of view and I would have love to have seen what would have happened if he would have followed that gameplan. I just think that shields would have had to work WAY too hard to get him down and then would have to have worked even harder to keep him down and he would have ended up getting too tired to submit him if he actually got the opportunity. But, there is certainly no argument that ANY sort of aggressiveness to score points or put some sort of pressure on GSP would have been better than what he did. The sheilds camp HAD to know SOMETHING wasn't right with GSP for him to just keep throwing the same overhand right and kick combination over and over.
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