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Three drafts later, how do you like slotted draft salary?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:40 pm
I've been going back and forth on this for awhile now.
On one hand I feel like the burdens from teams have been greatly lifted. The number one pick was almost more like a huge burden in most cases knowing how much of a huge chunk of change you had to fork over in guaranteed money. Most of the time this crippled salary caps. Now, draft picks are something teams fight over because of how valuable they are. Cam Newton, the first overall pick had what, only about 20 mil guaranteed? This protects teams from getting stuck paying busts monumental checks.
On the other hand, I feel like it's becoming detrimental to the players themselves. Underclassmen are leaving in record number because even if you get drafted in the third round, your still not making that much less than someone in the second. The thought now is you just need to hurry and get in the league and work for that second contract. Where's the incentive to ever stay in school longer than as soon as you're eligible to leave? Take a look at LSU last year. We had a record amount of underclassmen leave, only to have a few even stick on NFL rosters, much less even be big time contributors. Now, they're already NFL journeyman just floating around practice squad to practice squad.
What says ye?
On one hand I feel like the burdens from teams have been greatly lifted. The number one pick was almost more like a huge burden in most cases knowing how much of a huge chunk of change you had to fork over in guaranteed money. Most of the time this crippled salary caps. Now, draft picks are something teams fight over because of how valuable they are. Cam Newton, the first overall pick had what, only about 20 mil guaranteed? This protects teams from getting stuck paying busts monumental checks.
On the other hand, I feel like it's becoming detrimental to the players themselves. Underclassmen are leaving in record number because even if you get drafted in the third round, your still not making that much less than someone in the second. The thought now is you just need to hurry and get in the league and work for that second contract. Where's the incentive to ever stay in school longer than as soon as you're eligible to leave? Take a look at LSU last year. We had a record amount of underclassmen leave, only to have a few even stick on NFL rosters, much less even be big time contributors. Now, they're already NFL journeyman just floating around practice squad to practice squad.
What says ye?
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Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:43 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I think with the beating football players take and their likely short career spans, they should get paid for destroying their bodies sooner rather than later. So I don't blame anyone for leaving early.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:44 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Well to fix that problem they could make a bigger difference in pay between rounds but still not have a huge amount for the rookies
Or make the first contracts shorter and get rid of restricted free agency
Or make the first contracts shorter and get rid of restricted free agency
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:44 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Overall, I think it was good for the league but bad for college football. You pretty much nailed it.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:49 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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On the other hand, I feel like it's becoming detrimental to the players themselves. Underclassmen are leaving in record number because even if you get drafted in the third round, your still not making that much less than someone in the second. The thought now is you just need to hurry and get in the league and work for that second contract.
I know that's the theory, but I think it's backfiring on players. They get taken 3rd round or later, they are more likely to get processed out of a job rather than getting a big pay day, sometimes without ever getting a fair shot at a starting job. Clearly, not everyone leaving early is making a bad decision, and I think every RB that leaves early is making the right call due to the extreme wear and tear of that position, but I think overall your statement is one of those "received wisdom" statements that might not stand up to scrutiny.
Too many kids are leaving early, and they are costing themselves millions by doing so. I'm not against kids leaving early, I just think a large percentage of the early enrollees are making the wrong choice. This clearly does not apply to everyone. Peterson, for example.... right call.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:50 pm to wildtigercat93
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Or make the first contracts shorter and get rid of restricted free agency
What are the rookie contract lengths now? I don't follow the NFL closely enough to know all those details. I do think the days of drafting a QB in the first round and letting him learn under a veteran for a year or two are gone. Even with the reduced contract amounts, there is that pressure to play the guys you're paying first round money for.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:52 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I think it's great for the NFL and teams. Teams are no longer paying big dollars to potential 1st round busts.
I disagree with it being bad for college football. Players leave on their own terms. If they want to leave and be 2nd day draft picks, that's on them. If you stay and become a 1st round pick, then you get good money in return regardless if you are a bust.
I disagree with it being bad for college football. Players leave on their own terms. If they want to leave and be 2nd day draft picks, that's on them. If you stay and become a 1st round pick, then you get good money in return regardless if you are a bust.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:59 pm to TU Rob
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What are the rookie contract lengths now? I don't follow the NFL closely enough to know all those details. I do think the days of drafting a QB in the first round and letting him learn under a veteran for a year or two are gone. Even with the reduced contract amounts, there is that pressure to play the guys you're paying first round money for.
I think the first 3 rounds are 5-6 years and anything past that is 3 years but im not 100 percent on that
Either way the NFLPA got shafted on that deal because the league didnt really shift any of the money they saved from overpriced rookies onto the veterans, theyve actually frozen the market for a lot of positions and just made draft picks have more weight because of the cheap labor
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:32 pm to TotesMcGotes
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I think with the beating football players take and their likely short career spans, they should get paid for destroying their bodies sooner rather than later. So I don't blame anyone for leaving early.
this
For every guy who makes it big there are a couple dozen who have maybe a couple hundred thousand bucks to show for the thing in the world they are best at and have been since early childhood. I don't blame them at all for wanting to get what they can and try to figure the rest of their lives out.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:38 pm to Baloo
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They get taken 3rd round or later, they are more likely to get processed out of a job rather than getting a big pay day, sometimes without ever getting a fair shot at a starting job. Clearly, not everyone leaving early is making a bad decision, and I think every RB that leaves early is making the right call due to the extreme wear and tear of that position, but I think overall your statement is one of those "received wisdom" statements that might not stand up to scrutiny.
Too many kids are leaving early, and they are costing themselves millions by doing so. I'm not against kids leaving early, I just think a large percentage of the early enrollees are making the wrong choice. This clearly does not apply to everyone. Peterson, for example.... right call.
I think virtually every running back that is good enough to play in the NFL HAS to come out early. With contracts pretty much being 4 years for all rookies You want to be as young as possible when you are up for the second one. I would think it'd be a lot easier to give a 5 year deal to a 24-25 year old than 26-27, regardless of how good the older player is.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:06 pm to Bear Is Dead
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Overall, I think it was good for the league but bad for college footbal
Well, since a college's sole purpose is to prepare someone for higher paying a career, then they've done their job
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:19 pm to bubbz
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I disagree with it being bad for college football. Players leave on their own terms. If they want to leave and be 2nd day draft picks, that's on them. If you stay and become a 1st round pick, then you get good money in return regardless if you are a bust.
I think the OP was getting at the fact that it is bad for college football as a whole. Much like the NBA and College Basketball.
I agree with the OP. Players leave early for short term success and money in the NFL and end up bouncing around being expendible late round picks and back up players.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:23 pm to St Augustine
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I think virtually every running back that is good enough to play in the NFL HAS to come out early. With contracts pretty much being 4 years for all rookies You want to be as young as possible when you are up for the second one. I would think it'd be a lot easier to give a 5 year deal to a 24-25 year old than 26-27, regardless of how good the older player is.
This is what made the Maurice Clarette case so interesting and infuriating to me. All day you hear how the 3 year rule is put in place to protect the safety of the players. Clarette, however, realized that that 3 year rule was going to be what really hurt him, and he needed to get to the NFL and earn his money as soon as possible.
I firmly believe every RB should come out as a junior, and if you're good enough and physically able, staying until you're a junior is likely hurting you in the long run.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:47 pm to League Champs
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Well, since a college's sole purpose is to prepare someone for higher paying a career,
not at all what a university's sole purpose should be, IMO
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:04 pm to TypoKnig
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I think the OP was getting at the fact that it is bad for college football as a whole. Much like the NBA and College Basketball.
Yeah this is moreso what I was trying to get at. Let's take a look at LSUs underclassmen who left last year:
Chris Faulk
Michael Ford
Bennie Logan
Tyrann Mathieu
Keke Mingo
Kevin Minter
Sam Montgomery
Eric Reid
Tharold Simon
Spencer Ware
Brad Wing
Now, here's the list of guys who were drafted and are actually seeing considerable playing time this year:
Logan
Mathieu
Mingo
Reid
List of those who aren't, but still drafted:
Simon
Ware
Montgomery
Minter
List of those who went completely undrafted:
Faulk
Ford
Wing
I don't blame the RBs for leaving early, because I agree with what's mostly already been said. But guys like Minter, Montgomery, Faulk, Simon, and Wing would have all greatly benefitted from coming back for another year. But they all bolted because they wanted to just hurry up and get into the league. Who knows how their career will turn out now.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:06 pm to bubbz
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I disagree with it being bad for college football. Players leave on their own terms. If they want to leave and be 2nd day draft picks, that's on them. If you stay and become a 1st round pick, then you get good money in return regardless if you are a bust.
Exactly. The players need to seriously evaluate if they can make a roster or not, not just can they get drafted.
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