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re: This Is Why The Seahawks Won, Regardless of Bad Call
Posted on 9/26/12 at 7:24 pm to PurpleReignUW
Posted on 9/26/12 at 7:24 pm to PurpleReignUW
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 7:46 pm to PurpleReignUW
You're wrong.
NFL’s rulebook, casebook confirm call was incorrect
Your own gif shows that Tate's right hand was grasping Jennings arm before touching the ball. This is while Jennings has the ball firm grasped with both of his hands.
Important bit here:
Read the entirety of the linked post on PFT. You are empirically wrong. Just admit that the Seahawks got lucky with a horrible call and then the thread isn't totally worthless.
NFL’s rulebook, casebook confirm call was incorrect
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The relevant portion of the official 2012 rules comes from Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5: “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.” (Emphasis added.) Thus, it doesn’t matter whether the officials determined that Tate and Jennings jointly had “possession” when they landed; the question is whether Jennings “gained control” first.
Your own gif shows that Tate's right hand was grasping Jennings arm before touching the ball. This is while Jennings has the ball firm grasped with both of his hands.
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The league’s most recent casebook, which is posted at NFL.com, specifically addresses this situation at A.R. 8.29, under the all-caps title NOT A SIMULTANEOUS CATCH: “First-and-10 on A20. B3 controls a pass in the air at the A40 before A2, who then also controls the ball before they land. As they land, A2 and B3 fall down to the ground. Ruling: B’s ball, first-and-10 on A40. Not a simultaneous catch as B3 gains control first and retains control.” (Emphasis added.)
Important bit here:
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This isn’t about maintaining control through the act of going to the ground; it’s about who first secured control, whether the players were in the air or on the ground. Jennings first secured control, while he and Tate were in the air.
Read the entirety of the linked post on PFT. You are empirically wrong. Just admit that the Seahawks got lucky with a horrible call and then the thread isn't totally worthless.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 8:58 pm to bbrownso
I admit I was wrong about control, I thought you can't have 'control' until you touch the ground, which is actually possession, not control.
Tate touched it first, Jennings 'controlled' it first, Tate controlled it all the way through the play and after the pile/scrum.
I can see how the refs could see it differently from each other (one signaling touch-back/int and one signaling touchdown) as both Tate and Jennings grasping the ball in sequence would be hard to determine in real time.
Basically, I was wrong about control, but I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone thinks, because Tate maintained possession throughout the entire process.
Tate touched it first, Jennings 'controlled' it first, Tate controlled it all the way through the play and after the pile/scrum.
I can see how the refs could see it differently from each other (one signaling touch-back/int and one signaling touchdown) as both Tate and Jennings grasping the ball in sequence would be hard to determine in real time.
Basically, I was wrong about control, but I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone thinks, because Tate maintained possession throughout the entire process.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:12 pm to PurpleReignUW
one of the attributes of a good, humble man is to admit when he's wrong.
just keep that in mind.
just keep that in mind.
Posted on 9/26/12 at 9:45 pm to PurpleReignUW
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Basically, I was wrong about control, but I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone thinks, because Tate maintained possession throughout the entire process.
1 . I posted this 2 pages back about control, and even bolded it for you
2. Tate did bot maintain the possession throughout the entire process, it is very clear one of his hands comes off completely halfway through the ground
just stop being delusional for no reason. the Seahawks won. its a W. no one can take it away from you. its over.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 9/27/12 at 7:21 am to PurpleReignUW
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I admit I was wrong about control, I thought you can't have 'control' until you touch the ground, which is actually possession, not control. Tate touched it first, Jennings 'controlled' it first, Tate controlled it all the way through the play and after the pile/scrum
I understand that we're obviously arguing with a brick wall, but what about this picture shows you that "Tate controlled it all the way through the play and after the pile/scrum" or "throughout the entire process". There was nothing hard to grasp about it in real time, as every person that has seen the replay has demonstrated. Like your own gif shows, and like someone mentioned before me; Tate's right arm never touches the ball until he is on his back. The fact that Jennings has two hands on it and it's against his chest demonstrates control. The only time there was simultaneous possession was when Tate was on his back, then reached in with both hands to grasp the ball.
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 7:23 am
Posted on 9/27/12 at 8:37 am to PurpleReignUW
I agree with you, I think that a one-handed catch counts as a catch just as much as a two-handed catch. Does it not?
Tate clearly caught the ball with one hand.
Tate clearly caught the ball with one hand.
Posted on 9/27/12 at 8:38 am to bagNdrag
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Tate clearly caught the ball with one hand.
The delusion becomes deeper by the day.
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