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re: The NCAA and USC
Posted on 2/18/10 at 8:30 pm to crimsonsaint
Posted on 2/18/10 at 8:30 pm to crimsonsaint
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USC was banned from tv before, correct? Did oregon st or washington st file for bankruptcy then?
yes, before big time college football was as bloated financially as it is now...in terms of benefits as well costs to less successful programs.
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 8:31 pm
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 8:41 pm to el tigre
"the ncaa receives a portion as these schools are all ncaa member institutions"
And the ncaa will still get its cut. With or without usc, the ncaa will still get paid.
"bcs contracts are done at the national level and the ncaa keeps a ton"
Paraphrasing your quote. What does that mean? If usc is not allowed to play in a bcs bowl, will another member institution not take their place? Usc didn't make a bcs bowl this year and the ncaa still got paid. Hell, the emerald bowl can't pay that much.
"unlicensed dealers of ncaa merchandise"
Which has what to do with usc?
And the ncaa will still get its cut. With or without usc, the ncaa will still get paid.
"bcs contracts are done at the national level and the ncaa keeps a ton"
Paraphrasing your quote. What does that mean? If usc is not allowed to play in a bcs bowl, will another member institution not take their place? Usc didn't make a bcs bowl this year and the ncaa still got paid. Hell, the emerald bowl can't pay that much.
"unlicensed dealers of ncaa merchandise"
Which has what to do with usc?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 8:54 pm to crimsonsaint
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Which has what to do with usc?
you said the NCAA doesn't care about money. The vengeance with which the NCAA protects revenue streams of merchandise sales says otherwise.
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And the ncaa will still get its cut. With or without usc, the ncaa will still get paid.
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Paraphrasing your quote. What does that mean? If usc is not allowed to play in a bcs bowl, will another member institution not take their place?
to the above, tv contracts and especially ad sales (on air, in arena, print, AND radio) are largely driven by ratings/share and how many people it will reach. If you take USC out of the equation you lose a not insignificant chunk of viewership, thus lowering the projected ratings, and also lowering the rate of some ad sales, sponsorships, and TV contracts.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:00 pm to el tigre
quote:I'd like to see numbers on how much the NCAA makes off of USC's football program before I'm going to believe that. It just doesn't make any sense. I mean I can understand it's affect on the PAC-10, but the NCAA? I just don't see it.
you are severely underestimating the importance in USC to all TV markets from the Rockies and west.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:00 pm to tuck
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I mean I can understand it's affect on the PAC-10, but the NCAA? I just don't see it.
crippling an entire major conference isn't significant to the NCAA?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:06 pm to el tigre
and guys, i want USC to get hammered more than almost anyone...but they won't.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:12 pm to el tigre
Let's get one thing clear. I'm not talking about TV ban. TV ban's hurt a lot more than just one team. I don't think that will happen ever again.
It seems that you are going to have to prove some things before I'll believe that sanctions against USC are going to hurt the NCAA. I would like to see exactly how much money the NCAA would lose if USC weren't good. I mean think about it. USC sucked pretty badly not all that long ago. Seems like to me the NCAA got along just fine. Second, if USC lost schollies and got a post-season ban, some other team would just take their place. Would it mean as much money as if USC were there? Probably not, but the hit is not going to be as significant as you seem to think.
I mean if you are going to tell me the NCAA is this dependent on one institution it should be pretty easy to show me.
It seems that you are going to have to prove some things before I'll believe that sanctions against USC are going to hurt the NCAA. I would like to see exactly how much money the NCAA would lose if USC weren't good. I mean think about it. USC sucked pretty badly not all that long ago. Seems like to me the NCAA got along just fine. Second, if USC lost schollies and got a post-season ban, some other team would just take their place. Would it mean as much money as if USC were there? Probably not, but the hit is not going to be as significant as you seem to think.
I mean if you are going to tell me the NCAA is this dependent on one institution it should be pretty easy to show me.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:14 pm to tuck
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Let's get one thing clear. I'm not talking about TV ban. TV ban's hurt a lot more than just one team. I don't think that will happen ever again.
oh, well i am talking precisely about a TV ban.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:14 pm to tuck
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Let's get one thing clear. I'm not talking about TV ban. TV ban's hurt a lot more than just one team. I don't think that will happen ever again.
we were talking TV bans
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:22 pm to usc6158
Sorry for the confusion. I was replying to someone earlier in the thread about the penalties not being severe because it would cost the NCAA and got caught up in whatever you guys where already arguing about.
I don't think any team will ever receive a TV ban again. It's counter-productive no matter what team it is. Cutting of your nose to spite your face, so to speak.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:30 pm to el tigre
"cripling an entire major conference isn't significant to the ncaa?"
Can we all agree that usc hasn't done shite the past two years? What will it hurt if they don't do shite for another two years?
And ftr, I have no ill will towards usc. They're one of a few national programs I enjoy watching.
That said, the ncaa had no problems hammering other schools so they should have no problems hammering usc. They're not a court of law and are not required to prove indisputable evidence. If the ncaa does nothing to usc, then they should shut the frick up from here on out and just collect their money.
Can we all agree that usc hasn't done shite the past two years? What will it hurt if they don't do shite for another two years?
And ftr, I have no ill will towards usc. They're one of a few national programs I enjoy watching.
That said, the ncaa had no problems hammering other schools so they should have no problems hammering usc. They're not a court of law and are not required to prove indisputable evidence. If the ncaa does nothing to usc, then they should shut the frick up from here on out and just collect their money.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:31 pm to usc6158
I don't believe we will ever see TV bans again, but to say it would hurt the tv contract for the Pac 10 is a lie. The TV deal is done in advance. Just because USC can not appear on TV does not mean that the contract is null and void.
I'm not sure how a post season ban would work, but would it be possible that USC would be out of the cut for bowl money if they were banned from post season play?
I'm not sure how a post season ban would work, but would it be possible that USC would be out of the cut for bowl money if they were banned from post season play?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:34 pm to BamaFan5833
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I don't believe we will ever see TV bans again, but to say it would hurt the tv contract for the Pac 10 is a lie. The TV deal is done in advance. Just because USC can not appear on TV does not mean that the contract is null and void.
The Pac-10 TV contract is due up very shortly. Pretty sure it's next year in fact
Notre Dame would throw an absolute shite fit also
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I'm not sure how a post season ban would work, but would it be possible that USC would be out of the cut for bowl money if they were banned from post season play?
I really have no idea how the specifics would work
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/18/10 at 11:07 pm to crimsonsaint
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Can we all agree that usc hasn't done shite the past two years?
So 12-1 and a #2/3 finish is nothing?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 11:18 pm to crimsonsaint
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Can we all agree that usc hasn't done shite the past two years?
no. 2 bowl wins in 2 years, a top 3 national finish and a conference title in 2008. That's far from nothing.
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That said, the ncaa had no problems hammering other schools so they should have no problems hammering usc. They're not a court of law and are not required to prove indisputable evidence. If the ncaa does nothing to usc, then they should shut the frick up from here on out and just collect their money.
of course they shouldn't have a problem hammering USC, but they won't do it. I am not arguing what the NCAA "should" do. I am simply telling you what WILL happen, so don't get your hopes up expecting the NCAA to hammer them like they did to Bama....or to dig deep enough in the investigation to show more incriminating ties to the school/program. it won't happen.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 11:44 pm to tigers
08 is when they got smoked by Stanford? Who all did usc lose to 09? Has anyone heard what happened at the NCAA infractions committee meeting with usc today?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:12 am to crimsonsaint
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08 is when they got smoked by Stanford?
no. they were 12-1 with the lone loss on the road at Oregon State, 27-21.
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Who all did usc lose to 09?
a lot of teams, wish it were more. Their worst season in a long time still finishes with a bowl win and a top 25 ranking.
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Has anyone heard what happened at the NCAA infractions committee meeting with usc today?
"no comment". don't expect any news until it's done.
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This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 9:04 am
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:46 am to crimsonsaint
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08 is when they got smoked by Stanford? Who all did usc lose to 09? Has anyone heard what happened at the NCAA infractions committee meeting with usc today?
The meeting at the hotel was temporarily disrupted by a fire alarm.
USC has been aware of the alleged infactions for more than a month, which is how they now what the likely prnelties will be. Schools do not walk into those meeting blindly.
Also, : Keep in mind that the Pac-10 is the only conference that conducts its own investigations of potential member rules violations. Therefore, the conference probably has reviewed as much testimony and documentation from the USC case as the NCAA.
This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 5:54 am
Posted on 6/10/10 at 11:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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