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re: The latest on the Texas Tech fiasco from another board
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:02 pm to John Merlyn
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:02 pm to John Merlyn
I don't see the big problem with the guy wearing sunglasses but if it's against team rules, the doctor should have provided the kid with a request for him to wear them. Leach made a "therapeutic" decision, though it is a bit unorthodox. My dad used to make much more "punitive/therapeutic" decisions with me on a daily basis, just for the hell of it. Yeah, it was traumatic and screwed me up, but whining was out of the question, would not help, and was definitely not worth the trouble. I doubt that it will help this kid or his dad either.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:20 pm to Porky
Couldn't Leach have waited 6 mos. and pulled his scolly? This seems to work for every other coach out there that has players with behavioral issues.
That being said, this James kid sounds like a pussy with entitlement issues.
That being said, this James kid sounds like a pussy with entitlement issues.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:23 pm to Corch Urban Myers
Did anybody else just hear Leach's attorney on OTL? He was stumbling all over, not well spoken at all..
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:29 pm to geauxjudge
quote:
So Miles is his attorney?

This post was edited on 12/29/09 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 12/29/09 at 2:58 pm to AUpride
I think the James kid is probably and whiny baby but Leach is a moron.
What would give me pause as a TTU administrator is the startling lack of judgement and large amount of stupidity involved in Leach's decision making process and how he solves problems.
You can't do this even to the whiniest pussy on the team. Not today.
Now add that the kid has a concussion.
Now without even adding the fact that the kid's dad works for ESPN, Leach himself said the father was a "Little League Dad". Even without media connections, did he not think a parent with a history of meddling would NOT get involved after this?
Now add in that Daddy works for ESPN.
I wouldn't want Leach as my coach . Not just based on putting a player in a closet, but because he seems to lack any judgement AT ALL.
What happens when a kid gets overheated at spring practice? And that kid has a history of being a bit of a whiner?
TTU could end up with something way more serious than a pissed Daddy at ESPN and bad PR.
What would give me pause as a TTU administrator is the startling lack of judgement and large amount of stupidity involved in Leach's decision making process and how he solves problems.
You can't do this even to the whiniest pussy on the team. Not today.
Now add that the kid has a concussion.
Now without even adding the fact that the kid's dad works for ESPN, Leach himself said the father was a "Little League Dad". Even without media connections, did he not think a parent with a history of meddling would NOT get involved after this?
Now add in that Daddy works for ESPN.
I wouldn't want Leach as my coach . Not just based on putting a player in a closet, but because he seems to lack any judgement AT ALL.
What happens when a kid gets overheated at spring practice? And that kid has a history of being a bit of a whiner?
TTU could end up with something way more serious than a pissed Daddy at ESPN and bad PR.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 4:47 pm to Corch Urban Myers
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Couldn't Leach have waited 6 mos. and pulled his scolly? This seems to work for every other coach out there that has players with behavioral issues.
Good point. Leach definitely allowed himself to get sucked into this mess.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:02 pm to Porky
on local houston radio station, it was said that leach's contract pays him $800,000 if he is coach on dec 31st. speculation is the chancellor of tt, doesn't want to pay the bonus and leach is history. i say
to craig james and his sissy son. my high school coach bout broke my neck at spring practice and called me a pussy etc. i did not run to my mommy and cry. tt knows what they have in leach. he is a fruitcake.

Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:06 pm to bamaoldtimer
Leach just filed a restraining order to let him coach in the Bowl Game. This is gonna be interesting. 

Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:08 pm to Alahunter
quote:
Leach just filed a restraining order to let him coach in the Bowl Game.
you mean a court order?
I'm pretty sure restraining order is for preventing someone to come near you.
at least......that's my experience with them.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:08 pm to pankReb
I'd think the same, but that's how they worded it on ESPN.
Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:09 pm to Alahunter
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that's how they worded it on ESPN
Then I'd put my money on court order

Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:09 pm to Alahunter
Rece Davis, just said it again.. restraining order..
Posted on 12/29/09 at 5:16 pm to Alahunter
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Rece Davis, just said it again.. restraining order
On whom? ...the Michigan St. defense?

Posted on 12/29/09 at 11:00 pm to Porky
LINK: Pirate Under Attack. Avast, Ye Swabs!
If Texas Tech fires Leach, there will be a mushroom cloud over Lubbock for thousands of miles and a likely revolt of Tech fans, alums, and former players.
By S. C. Gwynne
As anyone who knows anything about Texas Tech football can tell you, there is something odd about yesterday’s suspension of football coach Mike Leach because of a complaint that he mistreated a third-string receiver named Adam James, who happens to be the son of football commentator and former SMU star Craig James. For one thing, Leach has never been known to violate any NCAA rules on player treatment, as a wave of former players who went public this week have attested. He can certainly be tough. When I was in Lubbock in March, reporting on a TEXAS MONTHLY cover story (“Mike Leach Is Thinking...”, September 2009), he made receiver Ed Britton sit at a desk outdoors in a blizzard for two hours for missing study hall. Leach has a special, 40-yard long sand pit next to the Tech practice field where delinquent players—especially academically delinquent players—are put through all sorts of boot camp-like exercises meant to get their minds right. The sand pit (aka “Muscle Beach”) is also where injured players are put to work during practice dragging truck tires or pounding stakes and generally working whatever parts of their bodies are not injured.
But a pattern of abuse like what Kansas head football coach Mark Mangino is alleged to be guilty of? There is no evidence at all for it. Not only have many of Leach’s former players already come forward to defend him, but testimonials popping up on the Internet are running roughly 100 to 1 in favor of Leach and against his bosses, Texas Tech’s athletic director Gerald Myers and Tech Chancellor Kent Hance. (This estimate is, of course, highly unscientific.)
As far as anyone can tell, here is what happened. On December 16, Adam James suffered a mild concussion. Since he could therefore not participate in contact drills, the coaches had him walking the track. The next day he showed up wearing sunglasses, explaining that the doctor said this would help him recover. Leach, apparently thinking that James was exaggerating his injury—though this is not entirely clear—sent him to the team's equipment room to stand in the darkness. (In some accounts this has been described as a “shed” or a “closet.” I have been there and seen it, and it is a normal equipment room.) According to the James family’s allegations, Adam was forced to do this for the next two days.
This is where things get a bit fuzzy. Leach later told Tech officials that he thought James was a slacker. I can confirm that Leach and his coaches thought this about James as far back as March. In one of the coaches meetings that I attended, James and one other player were specifically discussed. Without saying why, Leach told his coaches they needed to get tougher on those players since they obviously felt they were not giving 100 percent. There seemed to be general agreement on this. According to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Leach also told officials that Craig James had behaved like a Little League dad, constantly calling and complaining. At issue apparently was Adam’s playing time. He was not getting a lot of it, was unhappy about that, and according to several reports is already planning to transfer to SMU.
What happened next was that Craig James took his complaints to Tech officials, saying that his son was being mistreated. Tech then asked Leach to apologize formally to Adam by Monday. Leach outright refused to do that, insisting that he had done nothing wrong, and Tech suspended him, which meant that Leach could not coach in this Saturday’s Alamo Bowl against Michigan State.
The suspension reminded me of the bitter feud that erupted between Leach and athletic director Myers this spring. After a season when Leach’s football team went 11-2, after which he won several major coach-of-the-year awards, the Tech community was stunned to see headlines suggesting not only that Leach would not receive a raise but that he might be fired. Things got so bad that Chancellor Hance had to intervene personally. He and Leach worked out a salary package that made him the third highest paid coach in the Big 12. The feud with Myers was no longer in the headlines, but it simmered on.
It has, in fact, been a strange year for Leach. After last year’s run at a national championship, the team struggled this year to an 8-4 season punctuated by a Leach outburst against his team following a loss to A&M which he blamed on the players’ “fat little girlfriends." After one player tweeted angrily that Leach was late for a meeting, Leach forbid his team from using Twitter.
None of which adds up, however, to player abuse. I do not claim to know exactly what happened, but one scenario that must be considered is that we are witnessing a power play against Leach by the James family, who were unhappy because Adam wasn’t getting enough playing time. The Jameses are being greatly aided by their complaint’s proximity to both the Mark Mangino firing with its attendant allegations of player abuse and to the current NFL controversy over its sensitivity to player concussions. They are further aided by the fact that Leach and Myers hate each other.
Leach’s lawyer Ted Liggett, meanwhile, is vowing to take Tech to court this week to force it to let Leach coach the bowl game. Stay tuned. If Tech fires Leach over this, there will be a mushroom cloud over Lubbock that will be visible for thousands of miles and a likely revolt of Tech fans, alums, and former players.
+++++++++++++++++++++
An image of the reported “small, isolated electrical closet” in the Mike Leach case has been revealed, check it out below:
LINK
If Texas Tech fires Leach, there will be a mushroom cloud over Lubbock for thousands of miles and a likely revolt of Tech fans, alums, and former players.
By S. C. Gwynne
As anyone who knows anything about Texas Tech football can tell you, there is something odd about yesterday’s suspension of football coach Mike Leach because of a complaint that he mistreated a third-string receiver named Adam James, who happens to be the son of football commentator and former SMU star Craig James. For one thing, Leach has never been known to violate any NCAA rules on player treatment, as a wave of former players who went public this week have attested. He can certainly be tough. When I was in Lubbock in March, reporting on a TEXAS MONTHLY cover story (“Mike Leach Is Thinking...”, September 2009), he made receiver Ed Britton sit at a desk outdoors in a blizzard for two hours for missing study hall. Leach has a special, 40-yard long sand pit next to the Tech practice field where delinquent players—especially academically delinquent players—are put through all sorts of boot camp-like exercises meant to get their minds right. The sand pit (aka “Muscle Beach”) is also where injured players are put to work during practice dragging truck tires or pounding stakes and generally working whatever parts of their bodies are not injured.
But a pattern of abuse like what Kansas head football coach Mark Mangino is alleged to be guilty of? There is no evidence at all for it. Not only have many of Leach’s former players already come forward to defend him, but testimonials popping up on the Internet are running roughly 100 to 1 in favor of Leach and against his bosses, Texas Tech’s athletic director Gerald Myers and Tech Chancellor Kent Hance. (This estimate is, of course, highly unscientific.)
As far as anyone can tell, here is what happened. On December 16, Adam James suffered a mild concussion. Since he could therefore not participate in contact drills, the coaches had him walking the track. The next day he showed up wearing sunglasses, explaining that the doctor said this would help him recover. Leach, apparently thinking that James was exaggerating his injury—though this is not entirely clear—sent him to the team's equipment room to stand in the darkness. (In some accounts this has been described as a “shed” or a “closet.” I have been there and seen it, and it is a normal equipment room.) According to the James family’s allegations, Adam was forced to do this for the next two days.
This is where things get a bit fuzzy. Leach later told Tech officials that he thought James was a slacker. I can confirm that Leach and his coaches thought this about James as far back as March. In one of the coaches meetings that I attended, James and one other player were specifically discussed. Without saying why, Leach told his coaches they needed to get tougher on those players since they obviously felt they were not giving 100 percent. There seemed to be general agreement on this. According to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Leach also told officials that Craig James had behaved like a Little League dad, constantly calling and complaining. At issue apparently was Adam’s playing time. He was not getting a lot of it, was unhappy about that, and according to several reports is already planning to transfer to SMU.
What happened next was that Craig James took his complaints to Tech officials, saying that his son was being mistreated. Tech then asked Leach to apologize formally to Adam by Monday. Leach outright refused to do that, insisting that he had done nothing wrong, and Tech suspended him, which meant that Leach could not coach in this Saturday’s Alamo Bowl against Michigan State.
The suspension reminded me of the bitter feud that erupted between Leach and athletic director Myers this spring. After a season when Leach’s football team went 11-2, after which he won several major coach-of-the-year awards, the Tech community was stunned to see headlines suggesting not only that Leach would not receive a raise but that he might be fired. Things got so bad that Chancellor Hance had to intervene personally. He and Leach worked out a salary package that made him the third highest paid coach in the Big 12. The feud with Myers was no longer in the headlines, but it simmered on.
It has, in fact, been a strange year for Leach. After last year’s run at a national championship, the team struggled this year to an 8-4 season punctuated by a Leach outburst against his team following a loss to A&M which he blamed on the players’ “fat little girlfriends." After one player tweeted angrily that Leach was late for a meeting, Leach forbid his team from using Twitter.
None of which adds up, however, to player abuse. I do not claim to know exactly what happened, but one scenario that must be considered is that we are witnessing a power play against Leach by the James family, who were unhappy because Adam wasn’t getting enough playing time. The Jameses are being greatly aided by their complaint’s proximity to both the Mark Mangino firing with its attendant allegations of player abuse and to the current NFL controversy over its sensitivity to player concussions. They are further aided by the fact that Leach and Myers hate each other.
Leach’s lawyer Ted Liggett, meanwhile, is vowing to take Tech to court this week to force it to let Leach coach the bowl game. Stay tuned. If Tech fires Leach over this, there will be a mushroom cloud over Lubbock that will be visible for thousands of miles and a likely revolt of Tech fans, alums, and former players.
+++++++++++++++++++++
An image of the reported “small, isolated electrical closet” in the Mike Leach case has been revealed, check it out below:
LINK
Posted on 12/29/09 at 11:19 pm to Tide
I bet the James kid said the sunglasses wuold help him in a smartass tone to Leach.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 12:14 am to LSU NO Tigah
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Texas Tech has been looking for a way to fire Leach and he just gave it to them.
where are you getting this info LSU ATL TIGAH? doesn't sound consistent with them recently signing him to a 5 yr deal with a big pay raise. i know he's as arse and the negotiations were difficult, but business is business. personal feelings don't belong. firing Leach will substantially change that program as i think he may be the best coach they've ever had by far. just wondering if you had some inside info.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 12:31 am to John Merlyn
Coach shouldn't be locking the players up anywhere.
I don't see why people don't get that.
I don't see why people don't get that.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 12:36 am to windhammontanatigers
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Yesterday, i was going with the kid, but the more I hear this I have to side with Mike Leach. I'm 48 years old and I constantly my 17 year old or rather ask him about the youth of today who just seem to be wussies and can't take anything. As some writer put it yesterday, what would today's youth and media think about what the Bear did with the Texas A&M group. I bet the Aggies wish their team had been prepared yesterday by the Bear. Geaux SEC and
Today's 17 years old are bigger, faster, and stronger thanks to better nutrition and strength training.
I'm sorry, but today's 17 year olds would whip your 17 year old arse.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 7:21 am to TxTiger82
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Coach shouldn't be locking the players up anywhere.
I don't see why people don't get that.
Did he put him in a room and bar all the windows/doors and not allow him out against his will?? That is locking up and a fire hazard. I just have a hard time believing this was the case.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 7:31 am to TxTiger82
quote:
Coach shouldn't be locking the players up anywhere.
I don't see why people don't get that.
helps them cope with the humiliation they received (or continue to receive)...
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