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re: THE BCS WORKS!!!
Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:25 am to OlyTiger
Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:25 am to OlyTiger
32 teams trimmed down to 16 is a hell of a lot different than 100+ trimmed down to 4.
It won't work, and it won't be any more 'fair'. It will destroy the bowl system, and it will pull the rug out from under the current popularity of the college game.
You can't argue with the results. College ball is HUGE right now. It's never been this big.
It won't work, and it won't be any more 'fair'. It will destroy the bowl system, and it will pull the rug out from under the current popularity of the college game.
You can't argue with the results. College ball is HUGE right now. It's never been this big.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:27 am to Bigmonkeylsu
I used to want a playoff too, but I have come around.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:44 am to Buckeye Fan 19
I'm for the "plus one" system.
ALTHOUGH... this past year it would have been UF and USC and Texas will still have been left out.
Texas being left out wasn't really the BCS's fault, imo, it was the Big 12's fault. Had this happend in the SEC, Texas would have gone.
To sum it up, I hate USC and Auburn with a passion and I'm for whatever system royally screws them both.

ALTHOUGH... this past year it would have been UF and USC and Texas will still have been left out.
Texas being left out wasn't really the BCS's fault, imo, it was the Big 12's fault. Had this happend in the SEC, Texas would have gone.
To sum it up, I hate USC and Auburn with a passion and I'm for whatever system royally screws them both.
This post was edited on 1/28/09 at 12:45 am
Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:51 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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32 teams trimmed down to 16 is a hell of a lot different than 100+ trimmed down to 4.
what about 300+ teams trimmed down to 65?
whens the last time the superbowl champion has been disputed?
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It won't work, and it won't be any more 'fair'.
yes it will, and yes it will.
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It will destroy the bowl system,
thats definitely not a fact, and even if it did, who really gives a shite.
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and it will pull the rug out from under the current popularity of the college game.
is that why ppl dont watch the nfl playoffs or march madness anymore? because they hate playoffs?
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You can't argue with the results
2000 miami, 2001 colorado and oregon, 2003 usc, 2004 auburn, 2006 michigan, 2007 georgia usc va tech and kansas, and 2008 texas would all disagree.
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College ball is HUGE right now. It's never been this big
same could be said for just about every other sport, all of which include some type of playoff system.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:29 am to latiger09
Some of you people don't get it.
The Colleges/Universitys are independant of the NCAA. They do not have to listen to the NCAA. That is why there has not been a playoff. Universitys and conferences are tied to bowls and it is about money and sponseship.
The NCAA does not control the BCS, the BCS is controlled by the Universitys. Besides, if the NCAA did have control, there would not be a 4, or an 8 team playoff or some crap. It would be conference championship in. SO the Ala. and Tx. would have been out this year in ya'lls little playoff scenerio. Forget the damned playoffs. What we got is just fine.
THERE WILL BE NO PLAYOFF!!
Oh, and AUBIE still blows.
The Colleges/Universitys are independant of the NCAA. They do not have to listen to the NCAA. That is why there has not been a playoff. Universitys and conferences are tied to bowls and it is about money and sponseship.
The NCAA does not control the BCS, the BCS is controlled by the Universitys. Besides, if the NCAA did have control, there would not be a 4, or an 8 team playoff or some crap. It would be conference championship in. SO the Ala. and Tx. would have been out this year in ya'lls little playoff scenerio. Forget the damned playoffs. What we got is just fine.
THERE WILL BE NO PLAYOFF!!
Oh, and AUBIE still blows.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 4:49 am to Chicken
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This is irrelevant, as you can still have the bowl games and do a playoff.
Maybe this is true but only if you do a 8 team play off tops. Then his year you would have to worry about Boise St. Then after that how do you decide who number 8 is then number 9 is gonna be the ones throwing a fit just like Utah is this year right now. Bottom line is even a 16 team playoff won't please everyone cause someone is alway gonna have a gripe period.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:29 am to Nunk Red
quote:You are wrong on so many levels. Anyone who looks at our current system and says its "fine", hasn't looked at our system hard enough. It is designed to only let two teams in, which is in most years, not even possible to determine with absolute certainty who the two most deserving teams are.
The NCAA does not control the BCS, the BCS is controlled by the Universitys. Besides, if the NCAA did have control, there would not be a 4, or an 8 team playoff or some crap. It would be conference championship in. SO the Ala. and Tx. would have been out this year in ya'lls little playoff scenerio. Forget the damned playoffs. What we got is just fine.
Second, there is no reason not to have the bowls remain in place with a playoff set up as well. The bowls are already irrelevant, so saying a playoff makes them irrelevant is just not a good point.
Third, playoffs using the BCS Rankings are the most talked about, as autobids for all of conferences is a horrible idea, and most people realize that. It's not some impossible concept either.
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Oh, and AUBIE still blows.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:31 am to LSU316
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Bottom line is even a 16 team playoff won't please everyone cause someone is alway gonna have a gripe period.
+1 system or Qualifications Based Playoff eliminate this conflict.
But even in a standard playoff, arguing who is #16 and #17 is a hell of a lot better than arguing #2 and #3.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 7:20 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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I disagree. Sponsors will pull out of bowls when there's a drop off in viewership.
The Bowl system is 'technically irrelevant' in some sense, but with the playoff system, that's the only thing that anyone will watch.
this makes absolutely no sense. Why would any less people watch the Independence Bowl? It would have exactly the same effect on the national championship as it does now. I agree with Chicken and Obi-Wan. I don't think a playoff would affect the non BCS bowls at all. The same people who watch them now will still watch them.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 7:46 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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4. The BCS PICKS THE TWO BEST TEAMS. Does anyone think that USC or TEXAS beats FLORIDA or OKLAHOMA in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?!?!
I fixed it fur ya.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 8:20 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Let me ask you something...if OU-Texas is played on Nov 29 instead of early October, who do you think finishes ahead in the BCS standings?
Um, if OU Texas was played on Nov 29 instead of early October I think OU crushes UT by 3 TDs. OU was in the midst of their 60 point a game streak and was playing better ball than UT at that point.
Just my opinion, I know, but when you have a THREE way tie, which it was, NOT just a TWO way tie, head to head records are irrelevant so you have to look to other factors to differentiate the teams involved. The main factor used was that OU was playing better football than anyone in the country at that point.
OU was the right choice.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 8:37 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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The BCS PICKS THE TWO BEST TEAMS
That is not nearly a given. The only thing we are assured of is that it picks the two most deserving teams according to the system de jour.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 8:59 am to LSUTANGERINE
the BCS means college football is the only major sport with a every game of the regular season meaningful.
The Arizona cardinals were 3-7 outside of their division and they're playing for the championship.
3-7 = potential champions
The Arizona cardinals were 3-7 outside of their division and they're playing for the championship.
3-7 = potential champions
Posted on 1/28/09 at 9:51 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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Does anyone think that UTAH beats FLORIDA or OKLAHOMA in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?!?!
How many thought Arizona would win three straight to make it to the SUper Bowl? How many thought the NYG would beat the Pats last year in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?
Posted on 1/28/09 at 9:55 am to LSUgrasshopper
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the BCS means college football is the only major sport with a every game of the regular season meaningful.
I have an extremely difficult time believeing that Division 1 CF is the only one to have it right, while all others, from high school baseball to college lacross, to NFL football, tpo the NBA and all in between, have it wrong.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 9:58 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I have an extremely difficult time believeing that Division 1 CF is the only one to have it right, while all others, from high school baseball to college lacross, to NFL football, tpo the NBA and all in between, have it wrong.
We should drop the playoffs for high school football and have the BCS format.lol. I mean here in MIssouri and Kansas a team can lose all regular season games but win in district and make it to the playoffs and then do good in the playoffs and then win the state title.lol.
This post was edited on 1/28/09 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:05 am to LSUTANGERINE
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CF is the only one to have it right, while all others, from high school baseball to college lacross, to NFL football, tpo the NBA and all in between, have it wrong.
How many non lsu basketball games have you watched? How many non lsu football games do you watch?
It's not about right or wrong it's about different.
I thing college baseball has a tourney and crowns a true champ (best of 3 format) You can't play best of series in football, doesn't make sense.
College basketball however is a joke. The regular season is pointless, the tourney is only fun the first two rounds, and only then because office gambling, and you get teams that aren't the best winning regularly (villinova is the best example)
I understand you're a USC fan and can't stop losing to awful teams in the regular season and don't want those games to count, but sorry they do. They count a lot in the only sport where every game of the regular season matters.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:57 am to LSUgrasshopper
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understand you're a USC fan and can't stop losing to awful teams in the regular season and don't want those games to count, but sorry they do. They count a lot in the only sport where every game of the regular season matters.
Well done by a Tiger fan trying to introduce yet another LSU-USC pissing contest.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:21 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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1. College fans WILL NOT travel twice over the holidays for playoff games. Some teams do not travel well for bowls;
Let's discuss this one. If LSU were in the playoff, do you think there would be a shortage of fans traveling to the games? It sounds like you are assuming the same fans would be the ones traveling. How many fans do you think LSU has in Louisiana and throughout the country? My point is, there are pleny of fans that are willing to travel. Just because you may not be able to go to two or more away games with one weeks notice, does not mean others can't. Are there logistical problems, sure. But it would be worth it. Besides, the fans aren't the ones playing the game. If a team is good enough to be in the playoffs and contend for the championship, they MUST be able to win a road game or two.
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2. The Bowl system provides revenue for MANY American towns EVERY YEAR, and for many athletic programs!
This may be true. But I don't believe these towns will go under if they no longer host a bowl game. Shreveport will make it w/o the Indy Bowl. I think New Orleans will survive w/o the Sugar and NO Bowl. Who really wants to go to Detroit or Boise for a bowl game? I could go on and on.
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3. Like it or not College Football is BIGGER than it has EVER been, and it is BECAUSE of the controversy CAUSED by the BCS system.
Of course it is. The BCS has made it more controversial, so that brings more news and discussion. I think it is more popular due to the expanded TV coverage and message boards like this. Just because you think it is "BIGGER" now does not mean it is better than it could be. The BCS would pale in comparison to a playoff system, in my opinion.
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4. The BCS PICKS THE TWO BEST TEAMS. Does anyone think that UTAH beats FLORIDA or OKLAHOMA in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?!?!
Does it really?? Prove it. How do we know Utah couldn't beat UF or OU? I think UF would win, OU maybe not. We saw how Boise handled them.
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The BCS works.
You're delusional. No one in their right mind truly believes the BCS works. If the BCS is such a success, why isn't there an uproar to get all other college sports or professional sports to adopt this type of system?
I don't know about you, but I just love having polls and computers decide who plays in meaningless bowl games. Don't get me wrong, I love watching to bowls as much as anyone. But it is ridiculous that we crown a mythical national champion when every other college sport in this country crowns a true national champion. While all of your points may be true, do they make it right?
Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:55 am to Bigmonkeylsu
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Does anyone think that UTAH beats FLORIDA or OKLAHOMA in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?!?!
Do people still think OU belonged in that game over Texas? Forget Utah, man.
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