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re: The BCS Rankings if LSU and Oklahoma State both trip up (LONG)
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:14 pm to Cap Crunch
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:14 pm to Cap Crunch
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What are the chances LSU actually makes the SEC championship if they lose to Arkansas though?
debatable but probably in their favor
LSU would still have 2 wins over top five teams and a much stronger computer number than both bama and arky
arky esp is sucking in the computers because of their opponents being bad
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:18 pm to Zamoro10
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If they fall below Bama in the BCS - Bama goes, right? And vice-versa.
for a two way tie the head to head result determines who wins the division
there are other tiebreakers for a three way tie but it is:
1) the highest ranked team in the BCS (if the top two are not within 5 spots of each other)
2) the head to head result if the top two in the BCS are ranked within 5 spots of each other
the computers love LSU and hate (in a relative sense) Arky right now... which is bad for Alabama and Arkansas
LSU would go if the top two in the BCS were LSU and Alabama (seems most likely atm)
Bama would go if the top two were them and arky
Arky would go if the top two were LSU and Arky (but they are pretty far behind Bama right now in the computers)
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:20 pm to TigerWoody
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Do you recall the rest of the reasons LSU slipped ahead in the eyes of the voters?
UGA - did not play in Conf Champ game.
VTech - LSU stomped that arse early in the season.
Kansas - did you forget what happened to them on Nov 24 in KC?
Yes, obviously.
quote:
Who was better that year? Who should have gotten in before LSU? It was no meeting of voters to ensure LSU got in.
And there would be no meeting this year. That doesn't mean there couldn't be a sway of the voters, especially from the TV media.
ETA: And based off of the "who was better" argument, many of the TV media still think Alabama is better than LSU; they just don't have an excuse to vote them that way now. If LSU loses to Georgia, the door opens. We'll just have to see how wide.
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:22 pm to Cap Crunch
The chances of LSU in the SEC Championship are still very good despite losing to Arkansas. The SEC tie-breaker uses the BCS, unless the team ranked hughest and second highest are within D spots, in which case its head to head between those two. That favors LSU. Even with a win, Arkansas is not passing up Bama and LSU in the computers.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:23 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:There could be, but to have the kind of force necessary would require quite the conspiratorial power.
That doesn't mean there couldn't be a sway of the voters, especially from the TV media.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:24 pm to molsusports
It seems like Arky is LSU's 2003 Kansas State.
Oklahoma went into that game with everyone telling them it probably wouldn't matter if they lost then of course were promptly whipped.
Oklahoma went into that game with everyone telling them it probably wouldn't matter if they lost then of course were promptly whipped.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:26 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Do they vote in any of the BCS polls? Not being a smartass, I really don't know. I thought they only vote in the AP. Even if they don't, I get you are saying they could sway the voters. Again, that would have to be some pretty strong influence. Possible? Yes.
many of the TV media
ETA: They are doing a very poor job of influencing anyone currently. LSU has EVERY 1st place vote in both BCS polls. If the TV media held this influence, wouldn't it be logical at least a few 1st place votes would be going the way the TV boys are pushing, that is, to Alabama or even Okie St?
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:26 pm to Zamoro10
quote:Yet, they still made it to the NCG.
Oklahoma
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:29 pm to TigerWoody
Exactly. So, on paper this appears to be a free-loss (for LSU, if they should lose) due to having two teams right below them they already beat.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:30 pm to slackster
It's easy for people to say, "so and so team can lose a game and still be ranked highest in the human polls" because you haven't actually seen it come to and felt the significance. imo IF Arkansas beats lsu, the human polls drop lsu behind 1. ala and 2. arkansas. Computers would be 1. lsu 2. ark 3. bama
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:30 pm to slackster
quote:
he chances of LSU in the SEC Championship are still very good despite losing to Arkansas. The SEC tie-breaker uses the BCS, unless the team ranked hughest and second highest are within D spots, in which case its head to head between those two. That favors LSU. Even with a win, Arkansas is not passing up Bama and LSU in the computers.
I'd hope so but it all depends how low we drop and Arkansas moves up. We will be close to each other if that happens. I just hope our Bama win is good enough to keep us up.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:31 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
It seems like Arky is LSU's 2003 Kansas State.
Oklahoma went into that game with everyone telling them it probably wouldn't matter if they lost then of course were promptly whipped.
Georgia is LSU's Kansas State. If LSU loses to Arkansas, all bets are off.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:32 pm to beaverfever
quote:It would take a complete Arky domination of LSU for this to happen.
imo IF Arkansas beats lsu, the human polls drop lsu behind 1. ala and 2. arkansas.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:32 pm to TigerWoody
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Do they vote in any of the BCS polls? Not being a smartass, I really don't know. I thought they only vote in the AP. Even if they don't, I get you are saying they could sway the voters. Again, that would have to be some pretty strong influence. Possible? Yes.
If they have votes, they are likely in the AP Poll. Maybe there are some voters in the Harris Poll, but that would be a very small number, considering the Harris Poll is mostly former players and coaches.
However, after all of the games were over in that crazy night back in 2007, ESPN was all over LSU playing in the national titles game. And sure enough, when the polls came out the next day, it reflected that. Now, whether the voters were swayed at all I guess we can't know for sure.
But if there are people on ESPN, CBS, and other sports news outlets that still think Alabama and their "all-time defense" are better than LSU, then I'm sure some of the former players and coaches voting in the Harris Poll think it too.
I don't think we want to have to find out what happens if LSU loses the SEC Championship game. We should probably just go ahead and win, just to be safe.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:33 pm to TigerWoody
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They are doing a very poor job of influencing anyone currently. LSU has EVERY 1st place vote in both BCS polls. If the TV media held this influence, wouldn't it be logical at least a few 1st place votes would be going the way the TV boys are pushing, that is, to Alabama or even Okie St?
There is no excuse for LSU not to be #1 right now. Voters would be ridiculed if they had Alabama ranked ahead of LSU at this point.
But if LSU loses a game, that all changes, in my opinion. The door is open, like I said before.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:34 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Here here. I'll drink to that! Just win dammit!
I don't think we want to have to find out what happens if LSU loses the SEC Championship game. We should probably just go ahead and win, just to be safe.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:34 pm to Zamoro10
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Exactly. So, on paper this appears to be a free-loss (for LSU, if they should lose) due to having two teams right below them they already beat.
The SEC Championship game might be, but Arkansas might not be, considering we could possibly not even make the SEC Championship game if we don't win that game.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:36 pm to Baloo
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Baloo
If OU upsets OSU, they have a legitimate chnace at facing LSU. However, the reason I give Bama the edge is this- they are already receiving 2nd place votes in the polls at the moment. It stands to reason thet they will get the edge over OU in the polls even with a win. In fact, I think they will get almost all 2nd place votes, because voters will be very critical of the Texas Tech loss and because Alabama's loss was to the unanimous #1 team. However, the computers are NOT very critical of the TT loss, and they love the Big 12. I think OSU, OU, and Bama will be in the #2-#4 spots, and as long as Bama is not a consensus #4 in the computers, they will have enough human votes to make it. I think there is more admiration for Bama nationally than there is for the unwritten conference champion rule. It will be SUPER close though.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:37 pm to BayouBengals03
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considering we could possibly not even make the SEC Championship game if we don't win that game.
But strangely, does that even hurt? Voters have proven not to be hung up by winning your conference...and there's no threat of another loss. And by the previous explanation, LSU would still make due to head to head unless they dropped 7 sports or something crazy.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:37 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Yet we continue to hear TV "analysts" continue to tout Bama as the best team in the land. The point we are debating, is IF they truly believe that AND they hold any influence over some segment of the voters, then WHY are we not seeing a single solitary 1st place vote for Bama (e.g. the one guy who insisted on giving BSU a 1st place vote up until this week)? Nothing says they HAVE to vote LSU #1. They could give a 1st place vote to OkieST or Bama if they are so inclined. The "influential" TV personalities are not so influential, IMO.
Voters would be ridiculed if they had Alabama ranked ahead of LSU at this point.
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