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re: The ATL Thread: Offseason Edition

Posted on 12/22/11 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by SwampDonks
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Posted on 12/22/11 at 3:27 pm to
Alright Frank, we now have the most attractive name out there. Let's get to work.
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 12:05 am to
@ you calling me a homer.
Posted by SwampDonks
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 12:12 am to
I was just fricking around brah

dude's a tard for saying all those unproven guys have the 2nd best rotation
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 12:21 am to
I do think our top 3 are better than their top 3.
Posted by SwampDonks
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Posted on 12/23/11 at 12:24 am to
Well, duh

Our top 9 > Anyone's top 9 as well
Posted by The White Lobster
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Posted on 12/25/11 at 11:06 am to
Merry Christmas, guys
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/25/11 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Brandon Jacobs type return.


I agree, the BRaves could use a 270 lb. goal line back that hates Rex Ryan.
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:06 pm to
That shite was hilarious yesterday,

Merry Christmas, Whitie.
Posted by SwampDonks
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Posted on 12/28/11 at 12:40 pm to
We have absolutely no news or rumors to talk about so I thought I'd look ahead to next offseason. All I've been hearing about is how we'll have a bunch of money to spend next year so I wanted to see the numbers myself and came up with this....

Here is all money that will for sure be coming off the books next year. For the record, I'm going to say Chipper retires because I don't really see him playing another year, especially at his $7M option for 2013:

Chipper - 13M
Lowe - 10M
Bourn - 7.3M (proj)
Diaz - 2M
Ross - 1.625M
Hinske - 1.5

I think we'll re-sign Ross and Hinske, but right now we'll say all of them go elsewhere.

Total Money Saved - 35.425M

Now we'll look at all salary increases from next year until 2013. Make a note this is just the value of the increase in dollar amount, and not the total number the player will be making:

McCann - 3.5M
*all others below will be arbitration upgrades and are projected*
Heyward - 3M
Hanson - 4M
Medlen - .5M
Venters - 2M
Jurrjens - 3M
Prado - 2M
O'Flaherty - 1.5M

Total Money Increased - 19.5M

Now, I'm going to play GM for a second and make some moves I think are likely to happen....

*Trading JJ this offseason and in return, getting a young CF that will be ready to play in 2013. Instead of paying his projected $3M salary increase, we now save ourself of his $5.1M projected 2012 salary, but we would really only be saving ourselves from last year's salary which was $3.25M, and for this argument, we'll say the Braves don't spend any of that and use it towards next year.

*Re-sign both Ross and Hinske for about a total of $3M salary for the 2013 season.

Now, we have our projected money to spend in next year's offseason. That number is - $19.175M.

Now let's look at the holes we have on the team in this scenario. I'm going to assume Terd and Salcedo are not ready to take over 3B and Prado moves to there for the 2013 year.

I will also assume that we get the young CF we are looking for in a trade and he's ready to take the reigns in 2013.

This leaves the only starting position that we need in LF. There will also be 3 bench spots left, but doubtful we spend much money in those areas. You'll also have a bullpen spot or two but again, not much money will be spent in those areas in Free Agency.

In conclusion, I think we'll have the money to go out and get a pretty dang good LF next year. Will we be able to go out and get someone for 20 or 25 million dollars a year? Of course not, and that's not something we'd do even if we had the money in all likelihood. But we can definitely afford to give someone up to 15 or 16M if we wanted to go that route, and that would give us some money left over to take care of other needs on this team, which is not even counting any potential payroll increases we make, which I think we will since we probably aren't this year like we said we were going to do.

Notable Outfield Free Agents next year:

Josh Hamilton
Delmon Young
Andre Ethier
Torri Hunter
Carlos Quentin
Nick Swisher

Obviously, we could also have more flexibility in any trade because we could take on more money in any potential trade.

Of course, none of this is going to be completely accurate and I'm sure there are quite a few mistakes I made since I put it together pretty quickly, but hey, at least it's something new to discuss

Hope everyone has a good new year
Posted by au21tigers
Thursday
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/28/11 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

We have absolutely no news or rumors to talk about so I thought I'd look ahead to next offseason. All I've been hearing about is how we'll have a bunch of money to spend next year so I wanted to see the numbers myself and came up with this....

Here is all money that will for sure be coming off the books next year. For the record, I'm going to say Chipper retires because I don't really see him playing another year, especially at his $7M option for 2013:

Chipper - 13M
Lowe - 10M
Bourn - 7.3M (proj)
Diaz - 2M
Ross - 1.625M
Hinske - 1.5

I think we'll re-sign Ross and Hinske, but right now we'll say all of them go elsewhere.

Total Money Saved - 35.425M

Now we'll look at all salary increases from next year until 2013. Make a note this is just the value of the increase in dollar amount, and not the total number the player will be making:

McCann - 3.5M
*all others below will be arbitration upgrades and are projected*
Heyward - 3M
Hanson - 4M
Medlen - .5M
Venters - 2M
Jurrjens - 3M
Prado - 2M
O'Flaherty - 1.5M

Total Money Increased - 19.5M

Now, I'm going to play GM for a second and make some moves I think are likely to happen....

*Trading JJ this offseason and in return, getting a young CF that will be ready to play in 2013. Instead of paying his projected $3M salary increase, we now save ourself of his $5.1M projected 2012 salary, but we would really only be saving ourselves from last year's salary which was $3.25M, and for this argument, we'll say the Braves don't spend any of that and use it towards next year.

*Re-sign both Ross and Hinske for about a total of $3M salary for the 2013 season.

Now, we have our projected money to spend in next year's offseason. That number is - $19.175M.

Now let's look at the holes we have on the team in this scenario. I'm going to assume Terd and Salcedo are not ready to take over 3B and Prado moves to there for the 2013 year.

I will also assume that we get the young CF we are looking for in a trade and he's ready to take the reigns in 2013.

This leaves the only starting position that we need in LF. There will also be 3 bench spots left, but doubtful we spend much money in those areas. You'll also have a bullpen spot or two but again, not much money will be spent in those areas in Free Agency.

In conclusion, I think we'll have the money to go out and get a pretty dang good LF next year. Will we be able to go out and get someone for 20 or 25 million dollars a year? Of course not, and that's not something we'd do even if we had the money in all likelihood. But we can definitely afford to give someone up to 15 or 16M if we wanted to go that route, and that would give us some money left over to take care of other needs on this team, which is not even counting any potential payroll increases we make, which I think we will since we probably aren't this year like we said we were going to do.

Notable Outfield Free Agents next year:

Josh Hamilton
Delmon Young
Andre Ethier
Torri Hunter
Carlos Quentin
Nick Swisher

Obviously, we could also have more flexibility in any trade because we could take on more money in any potential trade.

Of course, none of this is going to be completely accurate and I'm sure there are quite a few mistakes I made since I put it together pretty quickly, but hey, at least it's something new to discuss

Hope everyone has a good new year


Thanks for the info! But hell we don't need anybody. We will just bring up 3-4 minor league
players,and they will hit .210 and can't get anyone in from scoring position. We're good..
Frank Wren
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/28/11 at 1:52 pm to
Quality post, brother.
Posted by The White Lobster
Member since Jul 2009
16764 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 1:54 pm to
I'm setting the odds we bring back Joe Mather at 7/2.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Josh Hamilton
Delmon Young
Andre Ethier
Torri Hunter
Carlos Quentin
Nick Swisher


Nothing really inspiring there. All are either/will be past their primes/injury prone (Hammy, Hunter, Swish, QUentin) or overrated (Young, Ethier).

Ethier is probably the best of the bunch in terms of youth, but his numbers were pretty hollow last year, unfortunately.

We need the Angels to trade us Bourjos.

eta: Nice writeup, Swamps.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 2:01 pm
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
41214 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:01 pm to
Jurrjens for Trout imo
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:03 pm to
I would fap to death.
Posted by lsu31always
Team 31™
Member since Jan 2008
108128 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

#redsox are not in on jurrjens. players for jair include orioles, blue jays, rockies and tigers



quote:


Braves, rays, mets among teams looking at ryan theriot

Heyman
Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
Member since Sep 2009
15296 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:17 pm to
The riot
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
18342 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:19 pm to
Blue Jays or Rockies are gonna be the team.
Posted by lsu31always
Team 31™
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:19 pm to
Squeaky tweeted at me
Posted by FredSecunda
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:46 pm to
Good post, Swamp Donks. I agree with you on just about everything you wrote. Though I am not positive Chipper retires, especially if his 2012 season is as good as his 2011 year was.

I would be happy with trading Jurrjens to the Rockies for Seth Smith and Tim Wheeler. I think Smith would be a good fit for us considering we will likely go out and get our real left fielder either a the deadline or after the season. Even though there is a good free agent crop, I would not expect the Braves to be big players; they are better set up to make trades. My hope would be to trade Hanson next offseason for a huge outfield bat.

I hope we don't trade Prado. He is such a valuable piece of our team.
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