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re: The ATL Thread 7/3: Cubs @ Braves
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:47 pm to SwampDonks
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:47 pm to SwampDonks
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Yeah if Grienke signs, I think Mac is gone.
He is probably gone regardless.
At least y'all have the best backup catcher in baseball.
If there has to be a decision made between keeping Mac or Bourn.. man that's tough. Bourn is one of, if not the, best lead-off hitter in the game and he's a great defender in CF. On the other had Mac seems to be the leader of that team and calls good games + has a really good bat at the position. Problem I see with the Braves is WHO will be their CF is Bourn leaves? Sign BJ Upton? Victorino is going to be expensive as shite. Nobody in the minors to call up..
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Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:48 pm to SwampDonks
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After that, a contract that large is a scary thing to think about when you are starting to have to lockdown Heyward and Freeman and Beachy.
If our FO was better at handling the realities of a limited budget, they would be negotiating with Heyward and Freeman on long term extensions right now.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:53 pm to Robot Santa
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they would be negotiating with Heyward
Yes
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Freeman on long term extensions right now.
Maybe...
If Freeman is Adam LaRoche 2.0, how much money do you want to tie up in him? I think he's a good player, and if you can get him relatively inexpensively, then sure.
Heyward has an all-world, 5-tool skillset though. He's worth the "risk" of extending, IMO.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
Well, we have Mac for another year so it won't really be between them, unless we want to sign Bourn and find a trading partner for Mac.
CF is definitely going to be a problem if Bourn walks, which he will if Grienke is traded for and signed IMO.
I'm sure the Braves plan is to have Constanza be the everyday CF though
CF is definitely going to be a problem if Bourn walks, which he will if Grienke is traded for and signed IMO.
I'm sure the Braves plan is to have Constanza be the everyday CF though
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:55 pm to OBUDan
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Also, I'm wondering if Bourn's perceived value is higher than what he will actually command. It's hard to see anyone shelling out even 10 mil per for a guy with a career OPS+ at 91.
Channeling his inner JD Drew in this contract year no doubt.
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I'm trying to think of a player comparison here... but can you think of a speedster/defender without power that gets paid huge money? I can't really.
Don't know if you're kidding but I'd say Kenny Lofton fits the bill here. He was highest paid player on the Indians when he left Atlanta when he went back in 1998 at the age of 31.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:57 pm to SwampDonks
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Yeah if Grienke signs, I think Mac is gone.
He is probably gone regardless.
Ah. Didn't know about the $12mil team option. That's a little high. Could definitely see him getting traded.
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I'm sure the Braves plan is to have Constanza be the everyday CF though
BRING BACK JORDAN SCHAFER
Posted on 7/3/12 at 1:58 pm to Rohan2Reed
The power of PID's by Jordan Schafer
ETA: Good God, didn't realize how big that was sorry fellas.
This post was edited on 7/3/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:01 pm to SwampDonks
Just to have an idea for the future...
2013:
FA - Bourn
Arb 1 - Heyward, Hanson ($3-4M)
2014:
FA - Mac, Prado
Arb 1 - Freeman, Beachy, Kimbrel
Arb 2 - Heyward, Hanson
2015:
No FA
Arb 1 - Delgado, Minor
Arb 2 - Freeman, Beachy, Kimbrel
Arb 3 - Heyward, Hanson
2016:
FA - Uggla, Heyward, Hanson
Just a rough outline over our main guys for the next four years.
2013:
FA - Bourn
Arb 1 - Heyward, Hanson ($3-4M)
2014:
FA - Mac, Prado
Arb 1 - Freeman, Beachy, Kimbrel
Arb 2 - Heyward, Hanson
2015:
No FA
Arb 1 - Delgado, Minor
Arb 2 - Freeman, Beachy, Kimbrel
Arb 3 - Heyward, Hanson
2016:
FA - Uggla, Heyward, Hanson
Just a rough outline over our main guys for the next four years.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:02 pm to okietiger
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Don't know if you're kidding but I'd say Kenny Lofton fits the bill here. He was highest paid player on the Indians when he left Atlanta when he went back in 1998 at the age of 31.
Well, I meant currently, not in the past.
But if you want to use that comparison...
Lofton had 3 AS appearances, 4 GGs, was runner-up in the RoTY and 4th in MVP voting before he signed with Atlanta. He also had 5 consecutive seasons with an OPS+ over 100. He lead the majors in steals 5 straight seasons and triples once. Atlanta paid him about 5 million dollars. He peaked at 8 million in 2001.
By comparison, Bourn has 1 AS game and 2 GG. He's lead the majors in steals 3 times. Never finished in MVP voting, and didn't for RoTY. He's never lead the league in triples. His only season with an OPS+ over 100 was last year... 102.
Lofton had a shite ton more accomplishments to point at and he STILL didn't get major money. Obviously the climates have changes some salary wise and players make more now, but I just don't think any team is going to shell out 15 mil per for him. He's not the type of player that gets paid huge.
There's a reason he's trying to hit more homers. Because that's where the money goes...
ETA: I doubt Lofton was the highest paid player when we acquired him. He was only making like 3.5 in Cleveland.
This post was edited on 7/3/12 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:03 pm to okietiger
lolz
half frat star/half UFC douche
half frat star/half UFC douche
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:03 pm to SwampDonks
Despite my hatred for the Liberty Media payroll, that's actually a pretty manageable 4 years of contracts if you break it down.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:03 pm to SwampDonks
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:06 pm to lsu31always
The answer is mike remlinger
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:07 pm to OBUDan
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Maybe...
If Freeman is Adam LaRoche 2.0, how much money do you want to tie up in him? I think he's a good player, and if you can get him relatively inexpensively, then sure.
Heyward has an all-world, 5-tool skillset though. He's worth the "risk" of extending, IMO.
My major concern with Freeman is his apparent fear of drawing walks. Patience is something that most guys tend to develop as they get older though. I would be willing to take the risk, but I doubt either of them gets signed to a long term deal.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:08 pm to okietiger
Yeah, it's not bad.
Interested to see what we are going to offer Prado.
Interested to see what we are going to offer Prado.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:08 pm to lsu31always
Roddy and a 1st for Calvin
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:09 pm to Robot Santa
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but I doubt either of them gets signed to a long term deal.
Agreed.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:09 pm to SwampDonks
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Interested to see what we are going to offer Prado.
He's converted me.
Pay the man.
Posted on 7/3/12 at 2:10 pm to OBUDan
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