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re: The ATL Thread - 7/18 - Is Owen the Answer?
Posted on 7/19/26 at 9:29 am to sorantable
Posted on 7/19/26 at 9:29 am to sorantable
Hope I'm not reading too much into this, but Schwellenbach was on a podcast recently and very casually dropped a line in there when talking about his elbow injury last season.
"I had a fracture in there, some bone spurs, and some nerve stuff going on."
As far as I know, the fracture and bone spurs were pretty widely reported but I never heard anything about any nerve issues. I wonder if that's playing any role in why his recovery is taking so long, and I wonder if that is going to cause him issues down the road?
He says it at about the 19:30 mark of this video:
"I had a fracture in there, some bone spurs, and some nerve stuff going on."
As far as I know, the fracture and bone spurs were pretty widely reported but I never heard anything about any nerve issues. I wonder if that's playing any role in why his recovery is taking so long, and I wonder if that is going to cause him issues down the road?
He says it at about the 19:30 mark of this video:
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:00 pm to Volsfan82169
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He’s had chances to “go for it” each year , with the exception of last season, every year since ‘21.
Has he? He doesn’t own the Braves. He doesn’t have full autonomy. He has bosses. And since he’s not just the general manager, he’s the Director of Baseball Operations, his bosses are the Board of Liberty Media. And though ownership has changed since ‘91, it’s pretty obvious the organization’s philosophy is to always be good and avoid significant rebuilds. They’ve basically had a 35-year window. That philosophy comes with an aversion to “selling out” at the deadline, especially with the expanded playoffs making winning the World Series more of a crapshoot.
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. I don’t expect this year to be any different.
Except it is different. For a few reasons. That doesn’t mean he’s going to crazy and wildly overpay in a seller’s market—this year may wind up just like all his past deadlines with the Braves. But there are reasons why he’s likely to be more aggressive this year without depleting the farm. Why he might be more likely to take on some rentals, whereas he’s typically wanted guys with control beyond just that particular season.
This is not me trying to wish it into existence. I’ve heard more than a handful of national and Atlanta insiders suggesting this. The most commonly cited reason is the uncertainty of the ‘27 MLB season. But I had some other theories that I ran through and asked Google’s AI. I’ll post that “conversation” below in a new post. Take it with however big a grain of salt as you want.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:09 pm to Hot Carl
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This is not me trying to wish it into existence.
This is exactly what you are doing
For a pure logic standpoint, this would be the year to go all in because our window with this core is effectively closed after this season. But AA is already preaching the "we're too injured" trope that he has been leaning on for the last couple of years when he didn't make moves.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:29 pm to Hot Carl
Hot Carl—“Tell me about Braves trades under AA.”
AI—-Under President of Baseball Operations Alex Anthopoulos (AA), the Atlanta Braves prioritize value, team control, and under-the-radar depth. AA trades typically focus on controllable assets rather than overpaying for short-term rentals. This philosophy is evident in both major trades and minor farm-system moves.
HC—Give me a run down on all his in-season, deadline trades with the Braves and why he seems to be less aggressive there than he was with the Blue Jays. His biggest moves in Atlanta have been in the offseason. Is that a result of his personal changing philosophy, a different organizational philosophy, or his added role as President of Baseball Operations, etc…? And how might this season be different with the inception of BravesVision, the looming uncertainty of the ‘27 MLB season, and the horrible string of bad injury luck that has plagued the 1st half of this season?
AI—
Alex Anthopoulos’s In-Season Trade History
Alex Anthopoulos (AA) treats the Major League Baseball (MLB) trade deadline as a surgical tool for depth and marginal gains rather than a place to acquire superstars. He has consistently targeted cheap, under-the-radar veterans with remaining club control or high-upside rentals to patch roster holes without moving top prospects.
1. Personal Philosophy Evolution
AA has openly admitted that his time in the front office of the Los Angeles Dodgers altered his perspective. He learned the danger of emptying a farm system for a short-term rental. At the deadline, player prices are inflated by desperation. In the offseason, AA has more leverage to orchestrate a trade and immediately lock that player into a long-term, team-friendly contract extension (e.g., Olson and Murphy).
2. Organizational Setup & Strategy
The Braves operate on an efficient, self-sustaining financial model. Under Liberty Media's corporate structure, the baseball operations budget relies entirely on revenues generated by the team and the surrounding Battery Atlanta real estate. AA does not have an open checkbook from a massive telecom giant like Rogers Communications in Toronto. He must protect financial flexibility and team control.
3. The Dual Role Impact
As President of Baseball Operations and General Manager, AA doesn’t just build the 26-man roster; he answers to the board for the health of the entire franchise. Trading away five years of cheap, young prospect talent for two months of a rental pitcher hurts the long-term organizational health that his executive role is specifically designed to protect.How Insiders View the Current SeasonDespite a brutal string of injury luck—including ace Spencer Strider being sidelined—the Braves are currently sitting 15 games over .500 and firmly in postseason contention. However, baseball insiders believe the fast-approaching August 3 Trade Deadline will look entirely different this year due to unique financial and labor pressures.
The Inception of BravesVision
In February, Atlanta launched BravesVision, its own fully owned and operated multimedia broadcast network. Insiders note that directly controlling their local television rights removes the regional sports network (RSN) broadcast uncertainty plaguing other clubs. This in-house network creates immense pressure to keep the product highly competitive. A deep October run maximizes subscriber retention and ad revenue for the new platform, which could incentivize AA to spend more aggressively at the deadline.
The Threat of the 2027 Work Stoppage
The current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) is set to expire on December 1, and labor tensions are mounting. With owners reportedly pushing for a hard salary cap and the MLB Players Association vehemently opposing it, industry insiders openly fear a major 2027 work stoppage or lockout. Because the future financial rules of baseball beyond this winter are completely uncertain, teams are hesitant to take on long-term luxury tax liabilities. This dynamic makes elite, short-term rentals uniquely appealing, as they provide an immediate push without any financial clutter ahead of a potential labor war.
Where the Braves Stand Now
The market is highly congested, with up to 23 teams remaining within shouting distance of a playoff spot. While the lineup has occasionally gone cold and demands reinforcement, the team's status as definitive buyers is locked in. Insiders believe AA will navigate this seller's market by searching for high-upside starting pitching depth and a platoon-capable outfield bat to navigate their injuries and maximize their 2026 World Series window.
AI—-Under President of Baseball Operations Alex Anthopoulos (AA), the Atlanta Braves prioritize value, team control, and under-the-radar depth. AA trades typically focus on controllable assets rather than overpaying for short-term rentals. This philosophy is evident in both major trades and minor farm-system moves.
HC—Give me a run down on all his in-season, deadline trades with the Braves and why he seems to be less aggressive there than he was with the Blue Jays. His biggest moves in Atlanta have been in the offseason. Is that a result of his personal changing philosophy, a different organizational philosophy, or his added role as President of Baseball Operations, etc…? And how might this season be different with the inception of BravesVision, the looming uncertainty of the ‘27 MLB season, and the horrible string of bad injury luck that has plagued the 1st half of this season?
AI—
Alex Anthopoulos’s In-Season Trade History
Alex Anthopoulos (AA) treats the Major League Baseball (MLB) trade deadline as a surgical tool for depth and marginal gains rather than a place to acquire superstars. He has consistently targeted cheap, under-the-radar veterans with remaining club control or high-upside rentals to patch roster holes without moving top prospects.
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Why Is AA Less Aggressive at the Deadline with the Braves?
As general manager of the Toronto Blue Jays, AA pulled off legendary, franchise-altering deadline blockbusters, most notably trading for David Price and Troy Tulowitzki in 2015. With the Atlanta Braves, his biggest strikes—like acquiring Matt Olson, Sean Murphy, and Chris Sale—happen almost exclusively in the offseason. This shift is driven by three distinct structural factors:
1. Personal Philosophy Evolution
AA has openly admitted that his time in the front office of the Los Angeles Dodgers altered his perspective. He learned the danger of emptying a farm system for a short-term rental. At the deadline, player prices are inflated by desperation. In the offseason, AA has more leverage to orchestrate a trade and immediately lock that player into a long-term, team-friendly contract extension (e.g., Olson and Murphy).
2. Organizational Setup & Strategy
The Braves operate on an efficient, self-sustaining financial model. Under Liberty Media's corporate structure, the baseball operations budget relies entirely on revenues generated by the team and the surrounding Battery Atlanta real estate. AA does not have an open checkbook from a massive telecom giant like Rogers Communications in Toronto. He must protect financial flexibility and team control.
3. The Dual Role Impact
As President of Baseball Operations and General Manager, AA doesn’t just build the 26-man roster; he answers to the board for the health of the entire franchise. Trading away five years of cheap, young prospect talent for two months of a rental pitcher hurts the long-term organizational health that his executive role is specifically designed to protect.How Insiders View the Current SeasonDespite a brutal string of injury luck—including ace Spencer Strider being sidelined—the Braves are currently sitting 15 games over .500 and firmly in postseason contention. However, baseball insiders believe the fast-approaching August 3 Trade Deadline will look entirely different this year due to unique financial and labor pressures.
The Inception of BravesVision
In February, Atlanta launched BravesVision, its own fully owned and operated multimedia broadcast network. Insiders note that directly controlling their local television rights removes the regional sports network (RSN) broadcast uncertainty plaguing other clubs. This in-house network creates immense pressure to keep the product highly competitive. A deep October run maximizes subscriber retention and ad revenue for the new platform, which could incentivize AA to spend more aggressively at the deadline.
The Threat of the 2027 Work Stoppage
The current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) is set to expire on December 1, and labor tensions are mounting. With owners reportedly pushing for a hard salary cap and the MLB Players Association vehemently opposing it, industry insiders openly fear a major 2027 work stoppage or lockout. Because the future financial rules of baseball beyond this winter are completely uncertain, teams are hesitant to take on long-term luxury tax liabilities. This dynamic makes elite, short-term rentals uniquely appealing, as they provide an immediate push without any financial clutter ahead of a potential labor war.
Where the Braves Stand Now
The market is highly congested, with up to 23 teams remaining within shouting distance of a playoff spot. While the lineup has occasionally gone cold and demands reinforcement, the team's status as definitive buyers is locked in. Insiders believe AA will navigate this seller's market by searching for high-upside starting pitching depth and a platoon-capable outfield bat to navigate their injuries and maximize their 2026 World Series window.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:34 pm to Hot Carl
You’ve gone off the reservation, friend
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:42 pm to Hot Carl
HC—
I forgot to mention a few things that I’d like your feedback on:
1) Though they’ve changed ownership in this period, the Braves have basically been in a 35-year “window to win,” only having a handful of short stretches of non competitive seasons. Yet, they’ve only won 2 World Series in that time. A lot of that is just bad luck as anything can happen in the playoffs. I can observe the patterns and recognize what I think is clearly their philosophy, but has anyone in the organization ever come right out and said that their approach is to remain consistently good over a very long period, be perennial playoff contenders thinking the World Series championships will eventually come, but that they are not their ultimate goal. In the sense that they are not willing to sell out for a World Series if it means depleting most of the top end prospect talent that would lead to a more significant rebuild? Sort of like the opposite philosophy of the early aughts Marlins who won 2 World Series in a relatively short span, but both were followed by very down stretches and significant rebuilds.
2) How has the Dodgers recent outrageous spending and collecting of high end talent affected the Braves’ philosophy?
3) How might the aging of Ozzie Albies, Ronald Acuna (aging meaning their bodies, not necessarily their ages), Chris Sale, etc…and their contracts getting closer to expiration affect how AA might address the ‘26 trade deadline differently?
4) The Braves missed the playoffs last year for the first time in AA’s 8 year tenure. How might that affect how he and the organization handle the deadline this year?
Also, you mentioned just how many teams are still in playoff contention. The expanded playoffs have certainly lead to a perennial seller’s market at the deadline, inflating the prices for the top players available. Not just because there are more teams vying for them, which automatically raises their price, but the flip side to that is that there are just less top players available. It seems like that—and the existence of this current Dodgers iteration—has caused a lot (if not most) teams to be more conservative than they may have been historically. All that said, besides the looming uncertainty of the ‘27 season, why might this deadline be different for the Braves? Or is the uncertainty of the ‘27 season the main reason it might be?
AI—
1. The "Consistent Contention" Philosophy: Has Anyone Confessed?
Yes, Alex Anthopoulos and former chairman Terry McGuirk have explicitly stated that their goal is a permanent postseason window, viewing the playoffs as a statistical lottery where maximizing appearances is the optimal strategy.Rather than "selling out" for a single World Series, the organization operates under a cold, mathematical reality of modern baseball. AA has frequently noted that once a team enters the postseason, baseball's inherent variance means the best roster rarely wins.The "Ticket to the Dance" Strategy: The Braves view the division title or a wild-card berth as a "lottery ticket." If you buy one ticket every single year for a decade, your mathematical odds of winning a World Series are vastly higher than a team like the Marlins, who bought five tickets all at once, won, and then couldn't afford another ticket for a decade.
The Refusal to Deconstruct:
Leadership has openly told reporters that they do not believe in the cyclical "boom-and-bust" model. Depleting the farm system causes a collapse in ticket sales, local TV ratings, and Battery revenue, which funds the payroll. A sustained, 90-win baseline is the mandated business model.
2. The Dodgers’ Spending Effect
The Los Angeles Dodgers’ massive, multi-billion-dollar talent aggregation has paradoxically hardened the Braves' resolve to stick to their value-driven strategy, rather than forcing them to match dollar-for-dollar.
The Braves know they cannot compete with the Guggenheim ownership group in a bidding war. Instead of panic-spending, the Dodgers' strategy has forced AA to double down on surplus value. The Braves lock up core players like Ronald Acuña Jr., Austin Riley, and Matt Olson to long-term contracts before they hit free agency. This builds an affordable, elite foundation that allows the team to survive in a league alongside financial titans.
3. The Aging Core & Contract Expirations
The physical wear on Ozzie Albies and Ronald Acuña Jr., alongside Chris Sale's advancing age, is creating an underlying urgency that might force AA to act with more aggression at this 2026 deadline.
The Reality of the Core:
While Albies and Acuña are still young by the calendar, their extensive medical histories mean their physical primes are ticking. Acuña’s knee issues and Albies' lower-body injuries mean the Braves cannot assume these players will be elite dynamos in 2030.
The Pitching Window: Chris Sale is pitching phenomenally, but at his age, every month of elite health is a precious commodity.
The Deadline Pivot:
AA knows this specific nucleus will never have a higher ceiling than it does right now. With contract expirations creeping closer over the next few seasons, standing completely pat at the deadline risks wasting one of the final peak seasons of this era. Insiders note he is actively hunting a playoff-caliber starting pitcher and an offensive upgrade to maximize this exact window.
4. Missing the 2025 Playoffs: The Hot Seat Factor
Missing the postseason in 2025 for the first time in eight years has fundamentally shifted the internal pressure, turning this deadline from a casual depth check into a mandatory course correction. Local media and baseball insiders have noted that a second consecutive postseason miss would put immense pressure on the front office.
No More Flukes:
In 2025, the organization could rightly point to a historically unprecedented "perfect storm" of injuries to justify missing October.
The Mandate for Action:
In 2026, the fan base and the board will not accept the same excuse. The Braves are sitting comfortably above .500, but the roster has obvious flaws. Because of the 2025 collapse, AA cannot afford to be passive. He must act to ensure this year's team crosses the finish line, if only to protect the organizational standard of excellence.
5. Why This Deadline is Unique (Beyond 2027)
While the threat of the 2027 collective bargaining agreement collapse creates league-wide paralysis, several other factors make this specific deadline a volatile anomaly for Atlanta:The Extreme Seller's Market: The expanded wild card has left nearly the entire league in "contention". Because so few teams are willing to trade away their star players, prices are severely inflated.The Prospect Stash Strategy: Because other teams are terrified of taking on future financial liabilities, they are demanding elite, young, pre-arbitration talent in return for rentals.
The BravesVision Factor:
As the team navigates its brand-new, in-house television network, local ratings are paramount. AA isn't just balancing a baseball roster; he is feeding content to a proprietary media entity. A passive deadline that signals a lack of aggression could damage subscriber momentum for the network's launch year.
I forgot to mention a few things that I’d like your feedback on:
1) Though they’ve changed ownership in this period, the Braves have basically been in a 35-year “window to win,” only having a handful of short stretches of non competitive seasons. Yet, they’ve only won 2 World Series in that time. A lot of that is just bad luck as anything can happen in the playoffs. I can observe the patterns and recognize what I think is clearly their philosophy, but has anyone in the organization ever come right out and said that their approach is to remain consistently good over a very long period, be perennial playoff contenders thinking the World Series championships will eventually come, but that they are not their ultimate goal. In the sense that they are not willing to sell out for a World Series if it means depleting most of the top end prospect talent that would lead to a more significant rebuild? Sort of like the opposite philosophy of the early aughts Marlins who won 2 World Series in a relatively short span, but both were followed by very down stretches and significant rebuilds.
2) How has the Dodgers recent outrageous spending and collecting of high end talent affected the Braves’ philosophy?
3) How might the aging of Ozzie Albies, Ronald Acuna (aging meaning their bodies, not necessarily their ages), Chris Sale, etc…and their contracts getting closer to expiration affect how AA might address the ‘26 trade deadline differently?
4) The Braves missed the playoffs last year for the first time in AA’s 8 year tenure. How might that affect how he and the organization handle the deadline this year?
Also, you mentioned just how many teams are still in playoff contention. The expanded playoffs have certainly lead to a perennial seller’s market at the deadline, inflating the prices for the top players available. Not just because there are more teams vying for them, which automatically raises their price, but the flip side to that is that there are just less top players available. It seems like that—and the existence of this current Dodgers iteration—has caused a lot (if not most) teams to be more conservative than they may have been historically. All that said, besides the looming uncertainty of the ‘27 season, why might this deadline be different for the Braves? Or is the uncertainty of the ‘27 season the main reason it might be?
AI—
1. The "Consistent Contention" Philosophy: Has Anyone Confessed?
Yes, Alex Anthopoulos and former chairman Terry McGuirk have explicitly stated that their goal is a permanent postseason window, viewing the playoffs as a statistical lottery where maximizing appearances is the optimal strategy.Rather than "selling out" for a single World Series, the organization operates under a cold, mathematical reality of modern baseball. AA has frequently noted that once a team enters the postseason, baseball's inherent variance means the best roster rarely wins.The "Ticket to the Dance" Strategy: The Braves view the division title or a wild-card berth as a "lottery ticket." If you buy one ticket every single year for a decade, your mathematical odds of winning a World Series are vastly higher than a team like the Marlins, who bought five tickets all at once, won, and then couldn't afford another ticket for a decade.
The Refusal to Deconstruct:
Leadership has openly told reporters that they do not believe in the cyclical "boom-and-bust" model. Depleting the farm system causes a collapse in ticket sales, local TV ratings, and Battery revenue, which funds the payroll. A sustained, 90-win baseline is the mandated business model.
2. The Dodgers’ Spending Effect
The Los Angeles Dodgers’ massive, multi-billion-dollar talent aggregation has paradoxically hardened the Braves' resolve to stick to their value-driven strategy, rather than forcing them to match dollar-for-dollar.
The Braves know they cannot compete with the Guggenheim ownership group in a bidding war. Instead of panic-spending, the Dodgers' strategy has forced AA to double down on surplus value. The Braves lock up core players like Ronald Acuña Jr., Austin Riley, and Matt Olson to long-term contracts before they hit free agency. This builds an affordable, elite foundation that allows the team to survive in a league alongside financial titans.
3. The Aging Core & Contract Expirations
The physical wear on Ozzie Albies and Ronald Acuña Jr., alongside Chris Sale's advancing age, is creating an underlying urgency that might force AA to act with more aggression at this 2026 deadline.
The Reality of the Core:
While Albies and Acuña are still young by the calendar, their extensive medical histories mean their physical primes are ticking. Acuña’s knee issues and Albies' lower-body injuries mean the Braves cannot assume these players will be elite dynamos in 2030.
The Pitching Window: Chris Sale is pitching phenomenally, but at his age, every month of elite health is a precious commodity.
The Deadline Pivot:
AA knows this specific nucleus will never have a higher ceiling than it does right now. With contract expirations creeping closer over the next few seasons, standing completely pat at the deadline risks wasting one of the final peak seasons of this era. Insiders note he is actively hunting a playoff-caliber starting pitcher and an offensive upgrade to maximize this exact window.
4. Missing the 2025 Playoffs: The Hot Seat Factor
Missing the postseason in 2025 for the first time in eight years has fundamentally shifted the internal pressure, turning this deadline from a casual depth check into a mandatory course correction. Local media and baseball insiders have noted that a second consecutive postseason miss would put immense pressure on the front office.
No More Flukes:
In 2025, the organization could rightly point to a historically unprecedented "perfect storm" of injuries to justify missing October.
The Mandate for Action:
In 2026, the fan base and the board will not accept the same excuse. The Braves are sitting comfortably above .500, but the roster has obvious flaws. Because of the 2025 collapse, AA cannot afford to be passive. He must act to ensure this year's team crosses the finish line, if only to protect the organizational standard of excellence.
5. Why This Deadline is Unique (Beyond 2027)
While the threat of the 2027 collective bargaining agreement collapse creates league-wide paralysis, several other factors make this specific deadline a volatile anomaly for Atlanta:The Extreme Seller's Market: The expanded wild card has left nearly the entire league in "contention". Because so few teams are willing to trade away their star players, prices are severely inflated.The Prospect Stash Strategy: Because other teams are terrified of taking on future financial liabilities, they are demanding elite, young, pre-arbitration talent in return for rentals.
The BravesVision Factor:
As the team navigates its brand-new, in-house television network, local ratings are paramount. AA isn't just balancing a baseball roster; he is feeding content to a proprietary media entity. A passive deadline that signals a lack of aggression could damage subscriber momentum for the network's launch year.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 1:06 pm to Broski
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This is exactly what you are doing
It’s really not. I’ve seen less than 9 full innings of games this season. I am less emotionally invested in this Braves team than maybe any in the past 35 years. It’s only been the past week or 2 that I’ve started to plug in a bit. But all of that was more about my intellectual curiosity than my emotional one. I look at the daily lineups, and I couldn’t pick out 4 or 5 of our starting position players out of 2 person lineup.
And the only 2 people the Braves have been linked to that I’ve ever even heard of are Skubal and Sonny Gray. Couldn’t pick either one of those 2 out of a lineup either. I don’t even know if they are left-handed or right-handed.
My life is not going to change in the slightest whether or not AA makes the most aggressive moves in the history of Major League Baseball or makes zero moves whatsoever. I am currently completely agnostic on AA. But I am genuinely curious how some of the uniqueness of this particular season could affect how he handles the deadline.
I didn’t post all of that to try to convince anybody of anything. Just offered one particular AI’s “insight” as to why this year might be different. Believe it all? Awesome. Believe none of it? That’s awesome too. Don’t even bother to read it? Fantastic. I probably wouldn’t have either. shite was way too long.
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