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re: The 122nd United States Open Championship

Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:14 am to
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:14 am to
The best players in the world are in the majors and will continue to be.

Everyone committed to LIV is far from it — no one likes Reed and Bryson has sucked since Winged Foot, mainly due to injury. Pat Perez? Rickie? He can’t even qualify for a US Open.
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32478 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:48 am to
LIV are exhibition events. OWGR points don't get added to these events.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57264 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:00 am to
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LIV are exhibition events. OWGR points don't get added to these events.


We will see. They applied for OWGR points and they met all of the requirements to be awarded them.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:35 am to
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The best players in the world are in the majors and will continue to be.

Everyone committed to LIV is far from it — no one likes Reed and Bryson has sucked since Winged Foot, mainly due to injury. Pat Perez? Rickie? He can’t even qualify for a US Open.




Hey, Mr. Prisoner of the Moment, give LIV a little time. The harvest has begun and they are offering free-agent contracts just like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and MSL.

That's right when Steph Curry signs for over 300 million for 5 years it doesn't matter whether he hit 30 points or is on the IR list. He gets his money. When DJ just signed, for the first time in golf history, he got his money. Win, lose, or draw. Now that's equality in sports.

Compare that to the generous PGA. 150 players can typically enter a tournament each week and the field gets cut down to 75.

Those missing the cut make nothing, zero. That's half the field every week. Their travel expenses are their problem. How generous? Look it up, when you get past those in 35th place they are making about $50,000 and those in last place are somewhere around $10,000. Big bucks for making the cut.

As I said, the harvest has just begun.

Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:09 am to
Missing the cut is a chance you take with every event you enter. That’s what makes golf so hard. You want to win big money you have to be consistent. You really think that DJ is as hungry to play the LIV knowing he is set for life and doesn’t have to win or even try hard to get paid. He got $125 mil just to sign up. Him playing his best doesn’t matter to him. The $4 mil for the winner is great for a hacker but you really think DJ cares if he wins. That’s taking away the beauty of the sport as we know it. I dont care about the politics from it. It’s a great watch on a Sunday afternoon watching two or even three or four golfers going at it for the prize.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9544 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:11 am to
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Hey, Mr. Prisoner of the Moment, give LIV a little time. The harvest has begun and they are offering free-agent contracts just like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and MSL.


Let me know when the LIV tour will actually turn a profit. Those other entities can't just light their money on fire like LIV can. Completely different scenario.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:14 am to
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Let me know when the LIV tour will actually turn a profit. Those other entities can't just light their money on fire like LIV can. Completely different scenario.



That's the point, my friend. The PGA is in big trouble.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9544 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:17 am to
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That's the point, my friend. The PGA is in big trouble.


No one has said anything different. The PGA Tour is in big time trouble from this hostile takeover. They are doing everything they can to stop it, but probably won't be able to in the long run. I fear this will be awful for golf fans in the long run.
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:20 am to
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Let me know when the LIV tour will actually turn a profit. Those other entities can't just light their money on fire like LIV can.



Do you gamble? If so, you are lighting your money on fire.

LIV is a gamble. So far, after 1 tourney, they are winning the PR battle at least.

All networks are taken and slave to the PGA. Except FOX. Ruh-Roh!!!

FOX seems to be really trying hard reporting about LIV, especially on FOXBusiness(All I watch).

Something is brewing and the PGA is flipping scared!
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 9:22 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37396 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:21 am to
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They are doing everything they can to stop it


False. And that's why we're at where we're at.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9544 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:23 am to
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Do you gamble? If so, you are lighting your money on fire.


I don't.

quote:

LIV is a gamble. So far, after 1 tourney, they are winning the PR battle at least.


LIV isn't a gamble. This is a loss leader for the Saudis in the hope of improving their image worldwide. They don't care if they ever turn a profit on this endeavor.

quote:

Something is brewing and the PGA is flipping scare


They should be. They can't compete against this kind of money.
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:28 am to
If you think the Saudis care about their image, then....I hate to tell you, they dont give a flip.

:Seinfeld I don't think so:

They have the oil, so they have the leverage and image does NOT matter.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:33 am to
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No one has said anything different. The PGA Tour is in big time trouble from this hostile takeover. They are doing everything they can to stop it, but probably won't be able to in the long run. I fear this will be awful for golf fans in the long run.



If the PGA wants to compete then pay up. They just signed a new media contract with NBC, CBS, and ESPN+. The PGA doesn't want to release the numbers. Imagine that? It's speculated that it's around 700 million dollars. Throw in stuff like the Golf Channel and Sky Golf and even Canada, Japan and so many others that love the PGA and are buying media content worldwide and we could be talking well north of a billion dollars.

Yet the PGA doesn't want to tell their players, media, or the general public what they are bringing in hand over fist. Why?

Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6747 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:40 am to
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They applied for OWGR points and they met all of the requirements to be awarded them.


all the requirements? They don't play 72 holes. I'm pretty sure 4 rounds is a requirement.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37396 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:50 am to
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I'm pretty sure 4 rounds is a requirement.


Im absolutely positive you're wrong
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
89010 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:57 am to
LIV will surely get points next event
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216180 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:09 am to
So what is your idea on how the PGA stood it????
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:17 am to
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LIV are exhibition events. OWGR points don't get added to these events.


Euros had a mens/womens event that counted for points.

The women played under different rules(tees) than the men. Why is that ok? It was an exhibition as you say.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:28 am to
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Missing the cut is a chance you take with every event you enter. That’s what makes golf so hard. You want to win big money you have to be consistent. You really think that DJ is as hungry to play the LIV knowing he is set for life and doesn’t have to win or even try hard to get paid. He got $125 mil just to sign up. Him playing his best doesn’t matter to him. The $4 mil for the winner is great for a hacker but you really think DJ cares if he wins. That’s taking away the beauty of the sport as we know it. I dont care about the politics from it. It’s a great watch on a Sunday afternoon watching two or even three or four golfers going at it for the prize.



Are you convinced that LeBron James plays just as hard simply because he's a billionaire? A max contract in the NBA can be over 225 million. Do guys like Steph Curry and Giannis Antetokeounmpo seem to play just as hard? Mike Trout signed a 425 million dollar contract a few years ago. How hard is he trying? Why are golfers viewed any different in your world?

As far as missing cuts, golfers are only playing by the rules they are given. The fact that the PGA players don't have a union with a strong CBA things aren't likely to get better regardless of the feelings some of these golfers may have about change. They have been considered independent contractors for decades, but still can only exercise their independence where the PGA lets them go is exactly why the PGA is going to lose this battle.

A lot of these guys for the first time in their career have a say and options about their future. The definition of a true independent contractor.

Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216180 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:43 am to
You don’t know much about how golf works. It takes years and years of constant practice just to be good enough to qualify for the tour. Golf is and individual sport with no teammates or defense. It’s way harder to make the PGA tour than an NBA team.
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