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re: TD.com Top 25 Ballot Posting Thread
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:28 am to xiv
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:28 am to xiv
Thanks you for voting, sportsinfogeauxlsu. Here is how you voted:
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Boise St.
9. Utah
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinatti
14. Georgia Tech
15. Georgia
16. Ole Miss
17. BYU
18. Michigan State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston College
21. Oregon St.
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Boise St.
9. Utah
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinatti
14. Georgia Tech
15. Georgia
16. Ole Miss
17. BYU
18. Michigan State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston College
21. Oregon St.
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:29 am to MJRuffalo
quote:I'm not spinning anything. I crunched some numbers, showed them, and you can conclude what you like.
Ok, my mistake I was going off of memory and confused Okie St with Mizzou. So thy have played an identical conference schedule, and Oklahoma played a far, far tougher ooc and your garbage formula somehow has OU only playing slightly stronger schedule?
Explain how Cincy, TCU, UW, and 1AA is only slightly better than 1AA, 1AA, Nevada, and SMU?
Waiting to here the bullshite spin on this one.
Why don't you just make your own formula and show it to everybody? If you don't like mine, make one that's better.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:48 am to xiv
I really don't need to make a better one, when a much better one is already available.
Really though Show me how Nevada, SMU, 1AA and 1AA, is only slightly worse, than Cincy, TCU, UW, and 1AA?
Are you counting the records of 1AA teams or something that is skewing your results.
Really all of this criticism is helpful to you. It will help identify flaws and then you can correct them. That is if you are interested in improving your formula.
Really though Show me how Nevada, SMU, 1AA and 1AA, is only slightly worse, than Cincy, TCU, UW, and 1AA?
Are you counting the records of 1AA teams or something that is skewing your results.
Really all of this criticism is helpful to you. It will help identify flaws and then you can correct them. That is if you are interested in improving your formula.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:50 am to sportsinfogeauxlsu
21 Oregon St. at 8-4 over 24. Oregon at 9-3?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:52 am to MJRuffalo
quote:Don't tell me my formula is stupid when you're not smart enough to come up with one yourself. It's like sitting in the front row of a boxing match and telling Lennox Lewis that he's a pussy. Show me how it's done, or shut the frick up.
I really don't need to make a better one, when a much better one is already available.
quote:They're not.
Really though Show me how Nevada, SMU, 1AA and 1AA, is only slightly worse, than Cincy, TCU, UW, and 1AA?
Quality win total favors Texas Tech. Without it, Oklahoma is #2.
It's also the reason why Oregon State is ranked ahead of Oregon; Oregon State has a hefty quality win that bumps it up about 7 spots. Oregon has no quality wins. (As it stands right now, victories over my top 11 are quality wins; this varies from week to week.)
quote:No. How many times do you have to be told that?
Are you counting the records of 1AA teams or something that is skewing your results.
quote:There's no such thing as improving a formula. That's just making a new formula; I've done it about 20 times. This is the one I like the best, and I'll continue to use it. Whether or not you like it is of no concern to me.
Really all of this criticism is helpful to you. It will help identify flaws and then you can correct them. That is if you are interested in improving your formula.
You are welcome to look at my formula and tell me what you think is wrong with it, but you are unwilling to do so for some reason; that's why I don't care for your opinions. I have opinions, too, that contradict what my formula spits out; big deal. Formulas like these are designed to give us some sense of perspective; in that sense, my formula is successful.
Frankly, I'm tired of your opinions, and your claims that my formula is bad are baseless unless you show me what parts of the formula you could improve. Until you do that, I won't be responding to you any further.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 2:56 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 4:25 am to xiv
quote:
on't tell me my formula is stupid when you're not smart enough to come up with one yourself. It's like sitting in the front row of a boxing match and telling Lennox Lewis that he's a pussy. Show me how it's done, or shut the frick up
I already said that I cannot make a better formula than Sagarin's predictor.
quote:
Quality win total favors Texas Tech. Without it, Oklahoma is #2.
wtf??? Both teams have the same amount of quality wins by your standard. (top 11)
quote:
You are welcome to look at my formula and tell me what you think is wrong with it, but you are unwilling to do so for some reason; that's why I don't care for your opinions.
I told you that not accounting for MOV in some way, and not accounting for venue are both huge error's. Ask any football coach in America if it is harder to win on the road or not.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 5:29 am to xiv
quote:
xiv
you live by your formula to your deathbed which IMO is stupid...throw some type of human element in there...you claim you think OU is better than texas tech yet you still vote texas tech higher
your poll makes no logical sense i don't care what formulas you are using boise st > florida ??
Posted on 12/1/08 at 5:30 am to LSUzealot
& please i'm tired of the it will work itself out in the end excuse...why would i want to see a poll that sucks arse for 13 weeks?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:21 am to xiv
quote:
Opps' WL% | Opps' Opps' WL% |
This is enormously flawed. For starters TT played 2 1AA teams, counting their wins and their opponents wins as = to Big 12 teams is complete BS.
OU SOS>>>>>TTU.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:34 am to LSUzealot
quote:The way I see it, it's you, MJR, and a few others who are living by my formula and making too big a deal about it. I think Florida is the best team in the country. I voted them lower according to my formula on a free message board. That isn't "defending the formula to the death." It's not a big deal, actually. It's just a different perspective; something to look at it. "For entertainment purposes only."
you live by your formula to your deathbed
I'm not sure why some people don't see a difference between an opinion and the results of an equation. I have the former just like everyone else; I like having the latter, too.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:36 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I agree; I don't count FCS wins.
This is enormously flawed. For starters TT played 2 1AA teams, counting their wins and their opponents wins as = to Big 12 teams is complete BS.
Guys, why don't you offer me some tweaks? It takes about two minutes to plug them in.
The formula
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:38 am to MJRuffalo
quote:
USC smoked 2 top-15 teams. Penn St beat 1 top-15 team in a close game.
No, they beat 2 top 15 teams according to your rankings. They each beat tOSU, played very similar schedules, but the difference is Penn St convincingly beat the team that upset USC.
And before you trot out Sagarin's SOS rankings, dont forget that USC's is going to drop once they play UCLA.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:53 am to SprintFun
1. Oklahoma
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Boise State
5. Southern Cal
6. Texas
7. Penn State
8. Utah
9. Texas Tech
10. Ohio State
11. Ball State
12. Boston College
13. TCU
14. Cincinnati
15. Georgia Tech
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Boise State
5. Southern Cal
6. Texas
7. Penn State
8. Utah
9. Texas Tech
10. Ohio State
11. Ball State
12. Boston College
13. TCU
14. Cincinnati
15. Georgia Tech
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:42 am to Kige Ramsey
quote:my bad
21 Oregon St. at 8-4 over 24. Oregon at 9-3?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:57 am to sportsinfogeauxlsu
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. Utah
6. Texas Tech
7. Southern Cal
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. Ohio State
11. TCU
12. Cincinnati
13. Oklahoma State
14. Georgia Tech
15. Missouri
16. Ball State
17. Georgia
18. BYU
19. Oregon
20. Boston College
21. Ole Miss
22. Michigan State
23. Pittsburgh
24. Northwestern
25. Nebraska
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. Utah
6. Texas Tech
7. Southern Cal
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. Ohio State
11. TCU
12. Cincinnati
13. Oklahoma State
14. Georgia Tech
15. Missouri
16. Ball State
17. Georgia
18. BYU
19. Oregon
20. Boston College
21. Ole Miss
22. Michigan State
23. Pittsburgh
24. Northwestern
25. Nebraska
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:37 pm to SprintFun
quote:Oregon is also top-15 in the Coaches and Harris Poll
No, they beat 2 top 15 teams according to your rankings.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:40 pm to xiv
The problem is that computer formula's cannot see the games. Now I do not discount them, and they are valuable tools in determining rankings, but that is all they should be, tools. One should use a computer ranking as a guide then the human perspective should be added to form one's poll.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:29 pm to MJRuffalo
quote:
The problem is that computer formula's cannot see the games. Now I do not discount them, and they are valuable tools in determining rankings, but that is all they should be, tools. One should use a computer ranking as a guide then the human perspective should be added to form one's poll.
How many games do you think the coaches see?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:32 pm to The Easter Bunny
Very very few. The polls in use today are a joke period. If you took the top 15 or 20 AP voters that would be a solid poll, but there are some ridiculous voters in that thing. Scott Wolf who I consider the worst of the bunch. you can go to Pollstalker.com and see how each AP voter voted each week.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:47 pm to MJRuffalo
Exactly. Complaining that the computers don't watch the games isn't that big of a deal since at least the computers take every game into consideration where we're lucky if the coaches even see highlights on sportscenter.
The fact that the AP and Harris voters don't watch more games is what's really disturbing to me.
The fact that the AP and Harris voters don't watch more games is what's really disturbing to me.
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