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re: Suspicious Performances in Brussels(Track and Field)
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:23 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:23 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Galen Rupp absolutely shatter the American record in the 10k by over 11 seconds, running 26:48. Either Nike has finally found a way to throw enough money at American distance running to catch up with the Eastern Africans, or there is some doping going on there as well.
Galen Rupp is legit. He didn't all of a sudden start running well. He has been on a continuous improvement path for 3 or 4 years.
ETA: Alistair Cragg, 2 time SEC athlete of the year at Arkansas, and a handyman for me one summer, just went 13:03 in the 5000. A new Irish record.
This post was edited on 9/16/11 at 4:25 pm
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Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:26 pm to VABuckeye
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I don't see it with the Kenyans. They've been dominant for a long time and they train at high altitude. It seems to me that they have a winning formula. But, at the end of the day, who really knows?
Absolutely, the altitude helps keep them ahead of the rest of the world. And they always have been ahead of the world, although I think you mean the Kenyans and Ethiopians.
But how does that explain Kennesia Bekele running 20 seconds faster for 10k than any other generation ever has? I'm not saying the East Africans vs the rest of the world is suspicious, I'm saying the times the East Africans are running today vs what they ran when they dominated the world 20 years ago are suspicious.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:30 pm to Dallas Tiger
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Galen Rupp is legit. He didn't all of a sudden start running well. He has been on a continuous improvement path for 3 or 4 years.
So what performance, in particular, of Galen Rupps in the past led you to believe he was on the road to this? I'm not saying he doped. In fact, I don't think he did. But to say this performance doesn't mark an incredibly unexpected improvement in the last year or so is foolish. Whether it was altitude tents, new training, or drugs, something changed.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:30 pm to TheSexecutioner
I said earlier "who really cares, everyone is doing it" and I didn't mean that flippantly or pejoratively.
Track isn't really a sport that is based on designing a game for competition...isn't the point of track - going back in the history of man - to see how fast and how far and how long man can run and jump? And isn't our science part of man? I've always considered track sort of like the laboratory testing the limits of man.
Track isn't really a sport that is based on designing a game for competition...isn't the point of track - going back in the history of man - to see how fast and how far and how long man can run and jump? And isn't our science part of man? I've always considered track sort of like the laboratory testing the limits of man.
This post was edited on 9/16/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:55 pm to VABuckeye
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What children
That was sarcasm, a lot people that support banning steroids etc say its in part because kids look up to these guys.
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You're supposed to compete naturally
What exactly does this mean, serious question? Are glasses natural? Is rotator cuff surgery natural?
This mentality lead to a teen age gymnist getting banned from the Olympics because she had a cold and took OTC cold meds.
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it's already proven that at least some performance enhancing drugs can lead to death
lots of things can lead to death, like cigarettes, alcohol, even certain foods. Hell people have died from running, football players have died from long term injuries like concussions. Its really not your place to tell other people what risks to their future health they can take.
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where do you draw the lines in the performance enhancing drugs that you allow because clearly you can't allow all of them to be used by competitors
why not?
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:56 pm to VABuckeye
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It seems to me that they have a winning formula
yeah, its called genetics
Posted on 9/16/11 at 5:03 pm to TheSexecutioner
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So what performance, in particular, of Galen Rupps in the past led you to believe he was on the road to this?
27:10 last year and making the Olympic final in 2008 while still a collegiate runner. And he has consistently improved year to year. The fact someone PR's by a lot is not unusual.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 5:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
TheSexecutioner, please do some research.
Blake's personal best in the 200m before tonight was 19.78 which he ran last year. Blake ran 10.11 when he was 17 years old so he's been running fast for a while.
Your drug test failure allegations are also shite. It was methylxanthine, a decongestant.
Here's the official statemet:
If taken as a performance-enhancing drug it could assist in getting oxygen into the lungs.
Methylxanthine is often found in cough medicine and can be bought without a prescription over the pharmacy counter, adding to the potential confusion for athletes. A type of bronchodilator, it is commonly used in the treatment of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Further research of the Olympic male sprints from 1948 will show that Jamaica is the consistent challenger to the USA since then until now.
You can end your propaganda campaign now. Blake may well be on drugs who knows but your post is tabloid bullshite.'
Blake's personal best in the 200m before tonight was 19.78 which he ran last year. Blake ran 10.11 when he was 17 years old so he's been running fast for a while.
Your drug test failure allegations are also shite. It was methylxanthine, a decongestant.
Here's the official statemet:
If taken as a performance-enhancing drug it could assist in getting oxygen into the lungs.
Methylxanthine is often found in cough medicine and can be bought without a prescription over the pharmacy counter, adding to the potential confusion for athletes. A type of bronchodilator, it is commonly used in the treatment of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Further research of the Olympic male sprints from 1948 will show that Jamaica is the consistent challenger to the USA since then until now.
You can end your propaganda campaign now. Blake may well be on drugs who knows but your post is tabloid bullshite.'
Posted on 9/16/11 at 6:15 pm to VABuckeye
abuse of performance enhancing drugs can lead to death just like abuse of alochol can cause you to die as well
Posted on 9/16/11 at 10:32 pm to TheSexecutioner
I'm no conspiracy theorist but I have come to believe that the Jamaicans have found some type of substance that's performance enhancing and undetectable by current methods. I just don't buy that they could have that many world class sprinters (both men and women) from a tiny island country.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 11:20 pm to castorinho
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I think this supports the notion that he along with the other Jamacians are doping.
Talk about jumping to conclusions.
Yeah, who would ever associate dope with Jamaica. That's just insane!
[puff puff pass]
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:56 am to tigercross
quote:I'm not saying people aren't doping and using PEDs, but this is a silly statement.
2) In the past, oh decade or so, Salazar has come out and said that he thinks right around 27:00 is the limit of what a clean runner can do.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:01 am to TheSexecutioner
Rupp - I don't see anything suspicious about his progression. He was dominant even as a college freshman, and by his senior year, he was a man amongst boys. I was at the 2009 NCAA Indoor Championships, and what he did there (3000 title, 5000 title, DMR title) was every bit as impressive as what Xavier Carter did at the 2006 NCAA Outdoor Championships. He basically put the Oregon team on his back and willed it to the team title. Since leaving college, he's steadily improved to the point that at the World Championships in Daegu last month, he was the only non-Kenyan/non-Ethiopian that stayed with lead group until the last lap when the kicking started. FYI, here are Rupp's yearly progressions in the 5000 and 10000:
5000
2011 13:06.86 Birmingham 10/07/2011
2010 13:07.35 Zürich 19/08/2010
2007 13:30.49 Eugene, OR 20/04/2007
2006 14:00.94 Eugene, OR 14/05/2006
2005 13:44.72 Heusden-Zolder 23/07/2005
2004 13:37.91 Heusden-Zolder 31/07/2004
10000
2011 26:48.00 Bruxelles 16/09/2011
2010 27:10.74 Palo Alto, CA 01/05/2010
2009 27:37.99 Berlin 17/08/2009
2008 27:36.99 Beijing (National Stadium) 17/08/2008
2007 27:33.48 Palo Alto, CA 29/04/2007
2006 28:28.18 Melbourne 14/12/2006
2005 28:15.52 Eugene, OR 07/05/2005
2004 29:09.56 Braaschaart 07/08/2004
Kenya/Ethiopian - In all my years of following track and field, I've never heard of a Kenyan or Ethiopian athlete flunking a drug test. Over the years, there have been plenty of Americans, Jamaicans, Europeans, Canadians, Russians and Austalians who've flunked drug tests, but few if any Eithiopians and Africans. Can they be that much slicker than the rest of the world? And remember, Ethiopia's Adebe Bikila won the 1960 and 1964 Olympic Marathons and Kenya's Kip Keino won the 1968 Olympic 1500 at Mexico City's 7000 foot altitude before EPO was invented. And in case you didn't know, the vast majority of Ethiopia's and Kenya's elite distance runners come from the Great Rift Valley. For example, only 10% of Kenya's population live in the Great Rift Valley, but the region produces 99% of its world-class distance runners.
Jamaica - They don't play American football in Jamaica, and therefore the NFL isn't taking away the lion's share of its sprint talent. Guys like Usain Bolt (roughly the same in stature as Randy Moss) and Asafa Powell (roughly the same in stature as Adrian Peterson) would have never escaped a path leading them to the NFL if they had been raised in the U.S. They may have run track in college, but after college they would have followed the same path as other sprinter/ football players before them.
Why didn't the OP make any mention of Carmleita Jeter, the most obvious doper in the sport these days?
5000
2011 13:06.86 Birmingham 10/07/2011
2010 13:07.35 Zürich 19/08/2010
2007 13:30.49 Eugene, OR 20/04/2007
2006 14:00.94 Eugene, OR 14/05/2006
2005 13:44.72 Heusden-Zolder 23/07/2005
2004 13:37.91 Heusden-Zolder 31/07/2004
10000
2011 26:48.00 Bruxelles 16/09/2011
2010 27:10.74 Palo Alto, CA 01/05/2010
2009 27:37.99 Berlin 17/08/2009
2008 27:36.99 Beijing (National Stadium) 17/08/2008
2007 27:33.48 Palo Alto, CA 29/04/2007
2006 28:28.18 Melbourne 14/12/2006
2005 28:15.52 Eugene, OR 07/05/2005
2004 29:09.56 Braaschaart 07/08/2004
Kenya/Ethiopian - In all my years of following track and field, I've never heard of a Kenyan or Ethiopian athlete flunking a drug test. Over the years, there have been plenty of Americans, Jamaicans, Europeans, Canadians, Russians and Austalians who've flunked drug tests, but few if any Eithiopians and Africans. Can they be that much slicker than the rest of the world? And remember, Ethiopia's Adebe Bikila won the 1960 and 1964 Olympic Marathons and Kenya's Kip Keino won the 1968 Olympic 1500 at Mexico City's 7000 foot altitude before EPO was invented. And in case you didn't know, the vast majority of Ethiopia's and Kenya's elite distance runners come from the Great Rift Valley. For example, only 10% of Kenya's population live in the Great Rift Valley, but the region produces 99% of its world-class distance runners.
Jamaica - They don't play American football in Jamaica, and therefore the NFL isn't taking away the lion's share of its sprint talent. Guys like Usain Bolt (roughly the same in stature as Randy Moss) and Asafa Powell (roughly the same in stature as Adrian Peterson) would have never escaped a path leading them to the NFL if they had been raised in the U.S. They may have run track in college, but after college they would have followed the same path as other sprinter/ football players before them.
Why didn't the OP make any mention of Carmleita Jeter, the most obvious doper in the sport these days?
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