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re: Stephen A.'s Comments on Stevie Williams - "He IS A CADDIE!!"

Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:53 am to
Posted by LSUtigersarefun
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:53 am to
And he paid for it. The caddie did just what you say caddies are suppose to do, and he stunk it up this weekend.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:53 am to
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Ok then let's say he is just as valuable as a coach on gameplanning calling plays and half time adjustments.


Still not even close. Disecting an offensive game plan is way more complex then giving advice on what club to hit when 95% of the time the golfer already knows the answer.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:54 am to
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And he paid for it. The caddie did just what you say caddies are suppose to do, and he stunk it up this weekend.


FTR, Tiger was stinking it up with Williams as his caddie before his last leave of absence.
Posted by jacks40
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:56 am to
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Posted by lsuhack
And he paid for it. The caddie did just what you say caddies are suppose to do, and he stunk it up this weekend.




He had been stinking it up WITH Stevie for the last what 18 months?

Trying to use Tigers performance this pst weekend as evidence of Stevies caddy greatness is stupid
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:58 am to
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They said on a golf channel that a caddie can make a huge difference one shot a round. Think about what 4 shots mean in a PGA tournament. Rememeber when Phil Mickleson lent Bones to John Daily for a tournament?


If a caddy has that much of an effect on the golfer, then Steve Williams quit doing his job 54 holes into the 2009 PGA Championship. Tiger Woods lost a 54-hole lead in a major for the first time in his career. I don't believe Tiger's won a tournament since then.
Posted by LSUtigersarefun
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:03 am to
Yes stinking it up last tournament he came in fourth!
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:06 am to
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This is like saying what good is Nick Saban because he doesn't make a tackle.

Wow, what? Some of y'all are hilarious.

I won't sit here and say that caddies can't make a difference, but to compare it to a football coach..a caddy is like a person standing next to Saban saying "yes, coach, running it here is good" after the running play has already been called. So maybe once a game, him saying "I dunno, coach, might wanna run right instead of left" makes a difference.
This post was edited on 8/8/11 at 11:14 am
Posted by LSUtigersarefun
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:08 am to
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Not even close

You obviously have no clue about the game of golf.
To quote someone famous. Golf is played on a straight line 6 inches long between your left and right ear.
And for the
Money they make and with your obvious skills I say become a pro caddy tomorrow.
Posted by LSUtigersarefun
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:10 am to
And to answer this so does a quarterback. I guess what you are saying is that caddying for a great player is like play-calling for Payton manning?
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:12 am to
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He is the players coach during the match.


So not the case. Will he offer an opinion? If he has that kind of relationship with the player, and the player asks him for his opinion. But the player has a coach. And it's definitely not his caddie.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:15 am to
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Money they make and with your obvious skills I say become a pro caddy tomorrow.


So how many less major wins does Tiger have if Stevie was never his caddy?

What percentage of Adam Scotts win do u attribute to Williams? Is Scott going to win multiple majors now?
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:18 am to
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Caddies effect on the outcome are minimal at best.


So... Do you know anything about golf? Or do you just like starting threads to vent about things you don't know about?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:19 am to
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Do you know anything about golf? Or do you just like starting threads to vent about things you don't know about



KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23041 posts
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:19 am to
I would be willing that the high majority of the caddies got their start bc they were buddies with a PGA tour player. Its not like PGA guys go looking through all the country clubs looking for the next up and coming caddie. Come on people!
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:20 am to
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A caddys job is to shut up and carry the bag. If AND ONLY IF your golfer asks you a question do you give an opinion. Most of the time, just a yardage. No caddy in the world gives his opinion without being asked. The job is totally over-rated.

a. Do the work, know the yardages and greens.

b. When your golfer makes a decision back him up, positive feedback.

Thats about it!


All of this is pretty much 100% wrong. Keep up the good work.

Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:21 am to
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Posted by ChemE in the OP


Care to give a % of how much effect a caddy has on who wins a PGA event?
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155358 posts
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:23 am to
Then explain a caddy's job please..

All people are saying is "you're wrong" or "you've never played golf at a high level." Nobody has actually explained anything useful.
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
Member since Apr 2011
6382 posts
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:23 am to
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Care to give a % of how much effect a caddy has on who wins a PGA event?


For a mental midgit like Dustin Johnson - I'd say 10% of his game is about having someone to keep him under control and help him manage the course.

For a mild-mannered vet - Very minimal.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23041 posts
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:24 am to
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Then explain a caddy's job please..


They provide invaluable insight to nervous golfers
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:26 am to
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All people are saying is "you're wrong" or "you've never played golf at a high level." Nobody has actually explained anything useful.


I want to know what high level of golf these people played at that makes them experts. From the way some have talked it up I'll be disappointed with anything less than PGA tour
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