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re: Stagg Bowl 2025: Mount Union 25-41 North Central FINAL
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:30 pm to QJenk
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:30 pm to QJenk
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I've always wondered how would these dominant D3 programs compare to the average D2 and FCS schools.
I figure they could compete very well in D2, but FCS would be too much.
I think prime Mount Union could've done it in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'm pretty sure they were approached by conferences in higher divisions at that time, but Larry Kehres wouldn't do it. Hell, Liberty started as an NAIA program in the 70s, and they were in the Fiesta Bowl a year ago.
The sport has changed too much recently, though. Good talent is more spread out across divisions.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:32 pm to nvasil1
Congrats to the Pride of Naperville. Three national championships in six seasons, with two Stagg Bowl losses in that timeframe.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:45 pm to nvasil1
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I'm pretty sure they were approached by conferences in higher divisions at that time, but Larry Kehres wouldn't do i
Mount Union has a pitiful endowment rate of less than $150,000,000. They simply don’t have the money to put together a higher athletic budget that would allow for them to move up to Division 2 and give out scholarships.
To put in perspective, Larry Kehres was making $120,000 annually in his final years as HC at Mount Union. That’s probably in the 99th percentile of Division 3 football coaching salaries. The athletic budgets at most colleges in that division are so low that most of them don’t pay their head coaches a livable salary.
Most of the sports revenue from D3 schools comes from recruiting students to play on sports teams. It’s why the tuition at those tiny liberal arts colleges are 35k-40k a year.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:04 pm to NashvilleTiger110
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Mount Union has a pitiful endowment rate of less than $150,000,000. They simply don’t have the money to put together a higher athletic budget that would allow for them to move up to Division 2 and give out scholarships.
Endowment doesn't equate to athletics support. Just look at LSU.
Mount Union is also a private school, so they don't have to make actual salaries publicly available. Gary Patterson had a "base salary" at TCU, but received a lot of other compensation that kept him there so long.
You're right, the vast majority of D-III schools couldn't move up. But my godfather and all his Mount friends are loaded. He has told me if they wanted to move up to D-II or FCS 20-25 yrs ago, they could've made it work.
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