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re: St. Louis Cardinals are 9.0 games back from first
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:00 am to steeltiger17
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:00 am to steeltiger17
I don't feel sorry for you or your Cardinals.
Sincerely, every Braves fan
Sincerely, every Braves fan
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:02 am to UltimateHog
quote:you actually think thats a positive for diaz? you know that a win difference between the two, even on baseball reference which isnt as high on seagers defense as fangraphs is, is a lot right?
Is 4.1 double than 3.2?
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See, I can do that too.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:03 am to WestCoastAg
No I just think it's funny you immediately throw out an unofficial statistic like WAR and say double, when ESPN and Baseball Reference are 4.1 and 3.2. Especially when the difference is defensively not offensively in an offensive league and offensively voted award.
Seager is behind Diaz offensively almost across the board.
Seager is behind Diaz offensively almost across the board.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:05 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:05 am to UltimateHog
quote:you think war is some bullshite stat?
No I just think it's funny you immediately throw out an unofficial statistic like WAR
quote:yes, the site that i use for baseball statistics and information had it as double difference. the other sites that you would like to use still has it as a full win difference. which is a lot
when ESPN and Baseball Reference are 4.1 and 3.2.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:06 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:06 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
you think war is some bullshite stat?
Absolutely.
quote:
yes, the site that i use for baseball statistics and information had it as double difference.
Bingo, the site you chose to use because it was the highest. I can play that game too, which is why WAR sucks and is an unofficial statistic.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:11 am to UltimateHog
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Absolutely.
quote:probably had more to do with that i use fangraphs for baseball information
Bingo, the site you chose to use because it was the highes
quote:different people calculate WAR differently. that doesnt mean it sucks. its just viewed differently.
which is why WAR sucks
even using regular statitstics, coming into today seager was within 2 points in batting average, had a higher slugging percentage, and had a higher wRC+, or OPS+ if thats what you want to use, and still gives you noticeably better defense. he didnt have a good game today so his batting average may have fell a point or two but the rest of that shite still holds
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:14 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
different people calculate WAR differently. that doesnt mean it sucks. its just viewed differently.
Any statistic with no proper algorithm to determine sucks to me, I will never support WAR as long as there are 50 different calculations for it and every single website is different.
Now if MLB wants to make it official, and provide a single calculation for it in which they determine is the best, I will support it.
Offensively, Diaz is ahead of Seager in almost every statistic.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:14 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:17 am to UltimateHog
quote:seager has a higher slugging percentage, and a higher ISO which is a better indicator for power, and wRC+, or OPS+ if thats what you want to use, and is within 5 points in batting average while providing noticeably better defense
Offensively, Diaz is ahead of Seager in almost every statistic.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:18 am to WestCoastAg
That's why I said almost. But while you can point out 2 or 3, Diaz has an advantage in triple that amount.
And I will always give a slight advantage to a true rookie versus someone with 100 AB's the year before.
Diaz has 56 less AB's too, as he started the year in the minors.
Also, if you're going to harp on how close they are in batting average but then use slugging percentage multiple times when they are .522 to .518...cmon. Can't call one close and essentially throw it out and then not do the same there.
And I will always give a slight advantage to a true rookie versus someone with 100 AB's the year before.
Diaz has 56 less AB's too, as he started the year in the minors.
Also, if you're going to harp on how close they are in batting average but then use slugging percentage multiple times when they are .522 to .518...cmon. Can't call one close and essentially throw it out and then not do the same there.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:22 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:22 am to UltimateHog
quote:he has a marginally better batting average and a higher on base percentage because he does walk more than seager and he does have more RBIs
Diaz has an advantage in triple that amount.
seager has more home runs, more hits, more doubles, has higher power numbers across the board, and has a higher wRC+
diaz gets on base more. seager has hit for more power
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:23 am to WestCoastAg
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seager has more home runs, more hits, more doubles
He should, he has 56 more AB's bud. Did you forget Diaz spent the first month at Triple A?
Diaz has a higher batting average, more RBI's, less K's, higher OBP by double digits, higher OPS, more SB's.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:25 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:26 am to UltimateHog
quote:great. doesnt change the fact that his slugging metrics are still better
He should, he has 56 more AB's bud
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:26 am to UltimateHog
quote:and seager has better power statitcs, a higher wRC+, and gives you noticeably better defense
Diaz has a higher batting average, more RBI's, less K's, higher OBP by double digits, higher OPS, more SB's.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:27 am to WestCoastAg
Doesn't change the fact that Diaz is ahead in double the hitting categories either, as a true rookie.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:28 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:29 am to UltimateHog
except he isnt really. hes ahead in batting average and on base percentage. seager is ahead in slugging and basically any stat that wants to give you a clear cut look at how they are doing at the plate. whether its wRC+, oWAR, or wOBA
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:31 am to WestCoastAg
Batting average, K:BB, OPS, OBP, RBI's...the key stats.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:31 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:31 am to UltimateHog
quote:
.the key stats.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:32 am to WestCoastAg
And you keep harping on slugging while he's on pace to strikeout 130 times this year, nearly double Diaz's pace.
I'm pretty sure every manager/GM in baseball would rather have someone that K's half the amount as Seager for a minuscule .10 difference in slugging.
I'm pretty sure every manager/GM in baseball would rather have someone that K's half the amount as Seager for a minuscule .10 difference in slugging.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:35 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:36 am to UltimateHog
quote:im also harping on all of the statistics that give you a clear cut at how players are doing at the plate, like wRC+, which say seager is better
And you keep harping on slugging
quote:he also has a noticeably better ISO but whatever
I'm pretty sure any manager/GM in baseball would take the .10 difference in slugging for half the K's.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:37 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:38 am to WestCoastAg
For every one or two you harp on there are 5-6 where Diaz is ahead.
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