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Some Agents have serious concerns about MLB next CBA
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:47 am
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The agent asked how competitive balance is enhanced when teams: *Are not penalized for spending under a certain payroll threshold the way they are for spending above one. *Do not always reinvest revenue-sharing money in their own clubs (a concern echoed by some high-revenue owners). *Are incentivized to seek the highest possible draft positions and most pool money. *Gain draft picks for losing elite free agents, regardless of market size or revenues.
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Other ideas suggested by agents for changing draft-pick compensation include: *Allowing clubs that lose an elite free agent to gain a supplemental pick without the signing club losing a top selection. *Penalizing a club that signs such a player with the loss of a second- or third-round pick rather than a first rounder.
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One agency conducted a study of the 2016 Article XX(B) free agents -- players who qualify for free agency by attaining six or more years of major-league service. The study excluded 17 players who might have distorted the analysis - players who retired, who would be injured for all of '16, who signed in Japan or who were being paid under a previous contract. The study found that: *More than 50 percent of all free agents (54 percent) took a paycut in 2016 from their 2015 salaries. *Over half of the 2016 free agents signed for less than $3 million annually, which was the average salary seven years ago, in 2009 ($2,996,106). Additionally, 44 percent of last winter's free agents signed for less than $2 million. *As of Opening Day, 10 percent of the free agents were unsigned, as opposed to 5 percent last year.In addition, the study noted that the overall median salary decreased from $1.65 million to $1.5 million, as reported by The Associated Press.
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Any downward movement in the market also reflects a growing preference by teams for younger talent, as well as an increasing number of players who sign club-friendly contract extensions rather than wait for free agency.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:50 am to BillCoby
I wish I could argue over a couple million dollars. 
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:54 am to BillCoby
it's pretty much a given
All of the Pro leagues will be on strike(lockout), unless last minute negotiating is done when their CBA contracts are up.
NFL,NHL,MLB unions have already told their people to start putting cash away.
All of the Pro leagues will be on strike(lockout), unless last minute negotiating is done when their CBA contracts are up.
NFL,NHL,MLB unions have already told their people to start putting cash away.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:23 pm to BillCoby
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The agent asked how competitive balance is enhanced when teams: *Are not penalized for spending under a certain payroll threshold the way they are for spending above one. *Do not always reinvest revenue-sharing money in their own clubs (a concern echoed by some high-revenue owners). *Are incentivized to seek the highest possible draft positions and most pool money. *Gain draft picks for losing elite free agents, regardless of market size or revenues.
WTF are they talking about? Having the highest possible draft picks and accumulating the most pool money is the best way to enhance competitive balance. How do they think the Cubs and Royals and Astros and Nationals and Pirates were able to get better? They tore everything down and accumulated high draft picks and international bonus pool money to acquire elite young talent. Reinvesting that money into the major league team instead of minor league talent would actually make competitive balance far worse in the long run.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:28 pm to stlslick
quote:yeah, but the NFL union is talking to prepare for 6 or 7 years down the road.
NFL,NHL,MLB unions have already told their people to start putting cash away.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:34 pm to BillCoby
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One agency conducted a study of the 2016 Article XX(B) free agents -- players who qualify for free agency by attaining six or more years of major-league service. The study excluded 17 players who might have distorted the analysis - players who retired, who would be injured for all of '16, who signed in Japan or who were being paid under a previous contract. The study found that: *More than 50 percent of all free agents (54 percent) took a paycut in 2016 from their 2015 salaries. *Over half of the 2016 free agents signed for less than $3 million annually, which was the average salary seven years ago, in 2009 ($2,996,106). Additionally, 44 percent of last winter's free agents signed for less than $2 million. *As of Opening Day, 10 percent of the free agents were unsigned, as opposed to 5 percent last year.In addition, the study noted that the overall median salary decreased from $1.65 million to $1.5 million, as reported by The Associated Press.
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Any downward movement in the market also reflects a growing preference by teams for younger talent, as well as an increasing number of players who sign club-friendly contract extensions rather than wait for free agency.
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Baseball counters with its own numbers.
Clubs spent $2.3 billion on Article XX(B) free agents last offseason, $600 million more than in any previous market. The free-agent class established records for highest average annual value for a pitcher (Zack Greinke, $34.4 million) and total guarantee for a pitcher (David Price, $217 million). Eight players signed contracts with AAVs above $20 million, matching the total from the last three offseasons combined.
The deals at the top of the market helped increase the average salary from $4.18 million to $4.36 million...
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:36 pm to Bench McElroy
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WTF are they talking about?
Agents don't give a shite about competitive balance. Of course they want the low spenders to be penalized, because that means more money for the players, ie more money for the agents.
The Cubs and Nationals have actually started paying big salaries again. I don't know that the Cubs ever stopped, really. They've just gotten smarter about it. But to this point, the Astros and Royals haven't started to really spend money.
As for the young stars signing team friendly extensions, Mike Trout is a great example of this. His extension with the Angels was a great move for him and the Angels, but probably not a great move for the rest of the MLBPA or the agents.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:39 pm to BillCoby
Too many teams got burned by signing veteran free agents to big contracts. Not just the elite free agents either. The trickle down of money meant teams were spending a lot of money on veterans just to fill out a roster.
Not only are the Astros good again by bucking that trend, but they also aren't paying a bunch of dead money to guys that aren't producing or even in baseball. They could have been more competitive, but that would have meant signing guys to long contracts. Those guys would now be well past their prime. Plus the extra talent they acquired was well worth it now.
It sounds like the agents are also mad about the team friendly deals. That was inevitable. What's a few extra million dollars when salaries start exceeding $100 million. These guys have families & have established roots in the community. It's worth it to them to take less money to remain somewhere they like. Agents like Boras prevented his guys from signing extensions. All his players hit free agency & they all got huge deals. The highest bid won. Now free agents are considering other factors & it's hitting the agents bottom line.
Not only are the Astros good again by bucking that trend, but they also aren't paying a bunch of dead money to guys that aren't producing or even in baseball. They could have been more competitive, but that would have meant signing guys to long contracts. Those guys would now be well past their prime. Plus the extra talent they acquired was well worth it now.
It sounds like the agents are also mad about the team friendly deals. That was inevitable. What's a few extra million dollars when salaries start exceeding $100 million. These guys have families & have established roots in the community. It's worth it to them to take less money to remain somewhere they like. Agents like Boras prevented his guys from signing extensions. All his players hit free agency & they all got huge deals. The highest bid won. Now free agents are considering other factors & it's hitting the agents bottom line.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:44 pm to Ghost of Colby
With the PED cleanup, MLB has become a young man's game again. That should depress FA money, but it really hasn't, certainly not at the top.
MLB seems to be doing great from a competitive balance standpoint.
How about this: instead of a cap on salaries, a cap on ticket and concession prices?
MLB seems to be doing great from a competitive balance standpoint.
How about this: instead of a cap on salaries, a cap on ticket and concession prices?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:54 pm to BillCoby
One thing MLB needs to fix is the current setup of team walfare. Owners like Oaklands is just taking the free cash and putting it in his mutual fund. If he doesn't want compete, make him sell and move the team to Nashville.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:02 pm to AUCE05
They are trying to get a new ballpark in Oakland. Manfred wants them to stay there cause of the population growth
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:42 pm to BillCoby
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They are trying to get a new ballpark in Oakland.
If the Raiders move to Las Vegas, with the Warriors moving (back) to San Francisco, someone could turn the current park into a nice one.
1. Tear out all the third deck.
2. Tear out everything between the large staircase in left center and the large staircase in right center.
3. Move the bullpens out to behind the outfield fences.
4. This won't be popular, but every park has its quirks (Fenway the Green Monster, Wrigley the ivy). Oakland's is the large foul area so I would leave it alone.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:38 pm to BillCoby
I understand they are wanting to build a walkable park, but my point still stands. The Yankees, etc are pissed that they pay a luxury tax to help teams like Oakland, Tampa, etc compete, and the ownership doesn't reinvest the revenues back into those teams to make them competitive. There are smaller markets that would kill to have a team. San Antonio is prime example.
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