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re: So, did Tebow...............
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:34 am to LSUtigahs28
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:34 am to LSUtigahs28
It's all about NFL coaching and what you feel like you can do with a player.
I look at Tebow like I do with Brandon LaFell when it comes to being drafted. LaFell doesn't have the best hands, he's not the greatest college wide receiver, but I feel like he could be a beast in the NFL with some real coaching.
Same thing with Tebow, get some real pros in there to work on his mechanics. It's all about your potential and what NFL teams believe that you can become. In the NFL, you can throw most things you learned in college football out the window, and for Tebow that could be a good thing. It's a different game.
I think Tebow will be drafted higher than most people expect.
I look at Tebow like I do with Brandon LaFell when it comes to being drafted. LaFell doesn't have the best hands, he's not the greatest college wide receiver, but I feel like he could be a beast in the NFL with some real coaching.
Same thing with Tebow, get some real pros in there to work on his mechanics. It's all about your potential and what NFL teams believe that you can become. In the NFL, you can throw most things you learned in college football out the window, and for Tebow that could be a good thing. It's a different game.
I think Tebow will be drafted higher than most people expect.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:35 am to DrSteveBrule
Fixing a QB's throwing mechanic is a lot harder than fixing anything about a WR.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:38 am to LSUtigahs28
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3/4ths of the people in my area would kill their own child if Tim Tebow asked them. I would like Tim Tebow to be my QB next year.
That's funny shite right there.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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he's had 4 years to fix his motion at UF and hasn't worked on it at all
You don't frick with a Heisman-winning QBs mechanics.
Dan Mullen wasn't exactly known for teaching perfect fundamental QB mechanics. This past year Loeffler has tried and there has been times when Tim has shown a noticeable difference in release point. He just keeps reverting back to the wind up due to muscle memory.
When he gets to the NFL, they'll finally be given the green light to completely overhaul his delivery. It's going to be hard as hell for him to change what he's been doing for years, but not impossible if he knows he must if he wants to play QB at the next level.
Like I said, he won't be ready to play as a full-time starter for at least a couple of years, so the team that drafts him is going to need to have that luxury.
This post was edited on 1/2/10 at 2:57 am
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:51 am to xenythx
He's also going to have to adjust to make full field reads from under center. Maybe the fact the he has to change so much, might actually help by putting him in a totally new situation it'll basically be relearning the game instead of just trying to alter 1 thing.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 9:38 am to xenythx
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You don't frick with a Heisman-winning QBs mechanics.
The fact that he's won the Heisman is irrelevant, it's not a certificate of pro-readyness. If QBs were getting drafted based entirely on how well their college careers went, then Tebow would be #1. He's not.
Teaching someone to play under centre when they've never done it before isn't that easy, look at Alex Smith, same system in college, is now in his 5th year in the league and the Niners have had to fundamentally re-write their offense mid-season to accommodate his deficiencies, moving from mostly under centre to shotgun. This doesn't mean that Tebow will have the same problem, but it it makes it more likely.
ETA: Missed that line in your post about the green light to change his delivery - I think based on the example of Alex Smith who throws a prettier ball with a fairly awkward and slow motion, Tebow needs to sit for at least a couple of years and just do it again and again in practice, and for me, he's still way too much of an unknown quantity to go in the first.
This post was edited on 1/2/10 at 9:42 am
Posted on 1/2/10 at 10:20 am to Mephistopheles
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he's had 4 years to fix his motion at UF and hasn't worked on it at all
His mechanics worked in college and they did not want to change them. Also, there was not a pro coach on the staff to change them. Any team that drafts him would be wise to sit him or use him in a limited role 'till he learns the mechanics of being a pro style QB.
Posted on 1/2/10 at 10:24 am to ornagestorm
When the Florida Gators destroyed the Cincinnati Bearcats on Friday night in the Sugar Bowl, the biggest losers might have been the Jacksonville Jaguars.
The Jags are widely believed to be interested in Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, thanks to an owner who apparently has never played poker. But the Jags likely will be making their initial pick at some point between the 15th and 20th positions in round one of the draft. And recent history tells us that huge quarterback performances in BCS bowl games will drive a guy's stock through the roof -- and that poor performances will cause a guy to slide.
It's a curious dynamic in a process dominated by tangible measurements and Pro Day workouts. With a stellar showing in the Sugar Bowl capping that 2006 season, LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell shot all the way to the top of the board. A year earlier, Vince Young's performance for the ages in the BCS title game pushed him all the way to No. 3.
Likewise, a horrendous night for Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith in the 2006 BCS championship (due in large part to the fact that multiple Florida defensive lineman were unblocked for most of the night) resulted in a free fall all the way to round five. Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn's lackluster college finale against LSU in the same Sugar Bowl that saw Russell shoot up likely fueled Quinn's drop into the 20s.
On Friday night, Tebow generated 533 yards in a 51-24 rout of the previously undefeated Bearcats, completing 31 of 35 passes for 482 yards and three touchdowns.
So while FOX's Brian Billick explained one of Tebow's primary flaws -- a catapult-style release that involves Tebow swooping the ball down to thigh level, where it will be more easily knocked out of his hands by the likes of Dwight Freeney, Jared Allen, and Elvis Dumvervil -- scouts will pay less attention to the flaws and more attention to the fireworks.
But it makes no sense to ignore mechanical deficiencies that could make Tebow into another Byron Leftwich. (Still, Leftwich was drafted in the top ten, and he never had a game like Tebow had on Friday night.)
Then there's the reality that Tebow seems to be the kind of guy who can be molded into a better quarterback, a guy who'll respond to coaching aimed at making him the best possible player he can be.
So while it's easy to pick apart things that he will concern folks at the next level, the reality is that Tebow is a proven winner, an obvious leader of men, and he capped one of the greatest careers in college football history by putting up even bigger numbers than Vince Young four years ago.
In other words, if the Jaguars want Tebow, the Jaguars are gonna have to trade up to get him.
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The Jags are widely believed to be interested in Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, thanks to an owner who apparently has never played poker. But the Jags likely will be making their initial pick at some point between the 15th and 20th positions in round one of the draft. And recent history tells us that huge quarterback performances in BCS bowl games will drive a guy's stock through the roof -- and that poor performances will cause a guy to slide.
It's a curious dynamic in a process dominated by tangible measurements and Pro Day workouts. With a stellar showing in the Sugar Bowl capping that 2006 season, LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell shot all the way to the top of the board. A year earlier, Vince Young's performance for the ages in the BCS title game pushed him all the way to No. 3.
Likewise, a horrendous night for Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith in the 2006 BCS championship (due in large part to the fact that multiple Florida defensive lineman were unblocked for most of the night) resulted in a free fall all the way to round five. Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn's lackluster college finale against LSU in the same Sugar Bowl that saw Russell shoot up likely fueled Quinn's drop into the 20s.
On Friday night, Tebow generated 533 yards in a 51-24 rout of the previously undefeated Bearcats, completing 31 of 35 passes for 482 yards and three touchdowns.
So while FOX's Brian Billick explained one of Tebow's primary flaws -- a catapult-style release that involves Tebow swooping the ball down to thigh level, where it will be more easily knocked out of his hands by the likes of Dwight Freeney, Jared Allen, and Elvis Dumvervil -- scouts will pay less attention to the flaws and more attention to the fireworks.
But it makes no sense to ignore mechanical deficiencies that could make Tebow into another Byron Leftwich. (Still, Leftwich was drafted in the top ten, and he never had a game like Tebow had on Friday night.)
Then there's the reality that Tebow seems to be the kind of guy who can be molded into a better quarterback, a guy who'll respond to coaching aimed at making him the best possible player he can be.
So while it's easy to pick apart things that he will concern folks at the next level, the reality is that Tebow is a proven winner, an obvious leader of men, and he capped one of the greatest careers in college football history by putting up even bigger numbers than Vince Young four years ago.
In other words, if the Jaguars want Tebow, the Jaguars are gonna have to trade up to get him.
LINK
Posted on 1/2/10 at 12:24 pm to LSUtigahs28
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