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re: SLU 41 McNeese 7, yet McNeese is ranked higher?

Posted on 11/5/13 at 10:14 am to
Posted by SkyBox
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 10:14 am to
In a three way tie where all the teams have beat each other the next tie breaker is what team has been the longest without going to the playoffs. Since SELA has never been to the playoffs that would be them.

With the expansion of the playoffs to 24 teams and the MVFC being a 1-2 bid league this year and the SOCON being a 1 team bid this year, all three teams should get in.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 10:15 am
Posted by JW6
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 11:15 am to
Slu gets tiebreaker even if they lose to Sam Houston. And win out. They will get into playoffs no doubt. I know Mcnesse players and coaches pray they don't meet SLU again I promise you that. Even thou their fans think they have a chance
Posted by SkyBox
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:24 pm to
I spoke to a lot of the players yesterday. They did not feel like SELA was anything special. They mentioned that they felt like UNI was much better. They just shite the bed and had a bad game plan. I assure you they would not be scared to play them again. Hard to beat the same team twice. See LSU/ Alabama a couple of years ago and McNeese/WKU in 2002. McNeese beat WKU in the regular season 35-13 and lost to them in the finals that year 34-14.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:54 pm to
After speaking to several SLU defensive players they felt like Mcneese had one of the least physical offensive lines they've played all year and they also felt like their WRs couldn't get open even without our best DB. Fact is Mcness has been murdered by 2 good FCS teams and barely beat West Alabama(division 2) in Cowboy Stadium. Mcneese is living by that Sam win. They honestly aren't a very good team. Defense gives up over 400 yards a game. I could go on and on.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:24 pm to
Had nothing to do with "being open." Stroud sucked my balls all game. There's no two ways around that.

Also, if the OL wasn't physical, it's funny that McNeese averaged over 5 ypc, yet wanted to keep the ball out of the RB's hands.

Of course that's what they're going to say.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94778 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:33 pm to
Here's a pretty good breakdown about the SLU game.

credit: Zem2 (geauxcowboys forum)

quote:

Running Game


I have not read any post on the SLU game, so I do not know what is being said. I have been on this site since day one, so I have a pretty good idea of the negativity, and probably some people posting that come around only to kick dirt on the grave. But independent of any of those comments, I have one little comment to bring to those with sound minds that actually like to make non -emotional observations.

First of all, there is enough blame to go around for everyone to get in line for. I had a bad feeling from the start, beginning with the poor job our captains made in losing the flip. LOL I actually thought with the wind and all, this was an important flip in order to get the ball to start the second half and to have the wind in the fourth quarter. But, that is when I thought it was going to be a close game. Oh well, the kicking, punting, covering, everything in the book was subpar. But this comment goes to a comment someone emailed about why our OL was so bad and couldnot block SLU on the running game. I kind of thought that we ran the ball pretty good, but just not enough. Of course, down and distance and when you run are important as well. I always filled out an autopsy report when coaching a stinker, so I thought I would look inside the numbers. I didn't get into all of the keys to victory last week, but in my mind I felt that the key was moving the chains at least 23-25 times. When you are playing a balanced offense like SLU, one that was putting up big numbers, you have to either score with big plays, or you have to win the clock. Instead, MSU allowed SLU to have 26 FDs and a 16 minute advantage with the clock. It is one thing to have less minutes in a game like UCA when you are returning kickoffs, interceptions , and having several plays over 40 yards. But in a game in which you should be just moving the chains, you have absolutely ZERO chance to win giving up the ball an entire quarter plus a minute(15min quarter plus 1 min.). For a team hitting 66% of it's passes in 8 games, 33% is unbelievable.

But here is the point, don't tell me the Cowboys could not run the ball against SLU. It may have looked it because once you are behind, most of the fans want the QB to throw it every down.
Play callers have bad nights too. When coaches say "we played behind the sticks all-night", they are basically saying they put the DC game plan on a silver platter for him. Just too many times facing 2nd and 10, etc. I give credit to SLU for doing their thing, but somenights you get frustrated and you try to get too much too soon. Sometimes the playcaller also gets thrown under the bus when he has given the QB the option to checkout of plays. Dallas Cowboys saw two different sceneros the past two weeks. They lost to Detroit with zero time left when QB Matt Stafford didn't listen to his coach to spike the ball on the one inch line as the clock approached 3 seconds. He ran to the line , slapped the center's butt and made the QB sneak TD by a couple of inches. Had he failed, game over. This week everyone was pulling for SD to beat Washington. So SD hits a pass with 30 seconds to go that was a TD, but was over-ruled at being down at the one inch line. So the play caller had two plays to make 1 inch. The QB threw two fades that were incomplete, so they kicked a game tying FG that ultimately cost them the game in OT. Was it the QB or OC, I don't know, but one inch with 30 seconds. Common on!

MSU 1st Possession
+9 pass, +5 run ending in lost fumble
2nd Possession
+7 run, 2nd and 3, Incomple, incomplete, punt
3rd Possession
+8 run, +3 run, FD,......1-10 incomplete pass, +11 pass FD,.....-1 run, incomplete, interception
4th Possession
+4 run, +4 run, 2nd and 2, five yard penalty, 3rd and 7, sack
5th possession
+3 pass, -2 pass, incomplete, punt
6th Possession
+1 run, incomplete, +13 pass, FD......+2 pass, +10 pass FD......1st-10 incomplete, +21 rush, 1st -10, pass incomplete, +24 TD pass
7th Possession
+7 run, +3 FD whipped out by 10 yrd holding. incomplete pass, incomplete pass, punt
8th Possession
Incomplete pass, +18 pass, missed FG

As bad as people may have thought the defense was, SLU had 192 yds of offense at half and that is with more plays. In my head, we hold this team to 400 or less yards, we WILL win. Sam Houston had 400 rds, SLU ended up with 430 and that is with an outragious number of plays(86) to our 60. Sam Houston ran 55 plays against our defense and we all applauded when we held them to 400 yards. Our offense was controlling the chains and we ran 76 plays. So SLU got 30 more yards with 31 more plays. HUM

I am not saying the defense is All-World, but you have expectations from your strenghts and your weaknesses. A powerhitting baseball team averaging 8 runs per game and a pitching staff giving up 5.5 per game, I cannot piss on the pitchers when you lose 4-1.
The second half numbers are similiar.
1st Possession
+11 rush, +4 rush, +5 rush, 1-10 on the 50, incomplete, incomplete, incomplete
2nd Possession
+6 pass, +7 rush,1st-10.......... incomplete, incomplete, interception
3rd Possession
+7 rush, +2 rush, +5 rush, FD.......incomplete, incomplete, incomplete
4th Possession
Incomplete, incomplete, sack

5th Possession
+10 run, -1 run, incomplete, interception.

Yea, SLU stuffed the run. MSU ran the ball only 21 times with their tailbacks and collected 117 yards for an average of 5.6 yards, equal to even our best games. Passing was 12-36 and we lost 19 yards of acquired yardaged through QB sacks which if you read closely , that is why I said our running backs had only 21 carries. We averaged 4.6 per carry against Sam, but we ran it 26 more times. None of these stats mean anything, just pointing out that staying ahead of the chains, and staying even or ahead in a game does alter play calling. As I said, it is not time to play finger pointing in a season that is 7-2 with three games to go. EVERYONE didnot have a good night, even the kickers were less than their A+ we have become accustomed to.

Zem2



Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:34 pm to
Nobody cares about high school football
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94778 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:35 pm to
It's not high school football.

Dynamite drop-in though. Thanks.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:41 pm to
When you are behind the defense is playnig the pass because you have to pass to get into So the run was allowed to get yards because it eat up clock and never really was going to hurt SLU being up so much.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:43 pm to
says the weirdo that post on the recruiting board

Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94778 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

So the run was allowed to get yards because it eat up clock and never really was going to hurt SLU being up so much.


I'm mainly talking about at the first of the game. After it was 20-0, you could look at both of the sidelines and tell it was over.

It was just infuriating they didn't run the ball to begin with.......

What can you do though? Win out, and they're in the playoffs.

If they do meet up again, it's hard to beat the same team twice in a season.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:50 pm to
While I agree I don't think the Bama/LSU matchup is a good example as i've seen used. I would almost do it as a div. match up where one team is obviously better (=
Posted by SkyBox
Member since Aug 2008
38 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:52 pm to
bullshite McNeese could run all game long and the coaches chose to pass because the pass was open. Stroud missed wide open receivers and the ones he did hit dropped the ball. That is why we only ran the ball 18 times all game and averaged 5 yards per carry.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94778 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

I would almost do it as a div. match up where one team is obviously better (=


naturally
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:57 pm to
41-7>>>>5ypc
Posted by SkyBox
Member since Aug 2008
38 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 4:13 pm to
I love it. One half decent season with a bunch of rental player transfers and all of a sudden SLU fans are coming out of the wood works. Cant wait until ya'll slip back into being the bottom dweller. The fact is SLU was better that night. They are no NDSU though. they are beatable and will be beaten. I would not be scared to face them in the playoffs. Bennett was a very below average 14-29 on the night for 155 yards. Stroud had a very uncharacteristic off night. He was 8th in the country in pass efficiency coming into the game for a reason. He was completely off. It had nothing to do with SLU's defense. Look at what they had given up all year. Their defense isn't very good. McNeese might not be that good. I can live with that. I just don't think SLU is as good as the score indicated.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 6:48 pm to
I agree Mcneese could have ran the ball more and had some success but they weren't going to best SLU running the ball. SLU is not a team full of rented players. 4 guys that play starters snaps on defense are from Tangipahoa Parish. The majority of the rest of the D is from Baton Rouge/NO area. Mcnesse got their tails whipped and won't give SLU any credit. Hate to break it to you Mcneese fans most of this team returns next year. Every RB back, every WR but one back, QB should be back. Defensively we return last year team tackles leader and this years current tackle leader at LB as well as this seasons sack leader at the other LB spot. Everyone back in the secondary except one guy and most of the D-Line. Better bring your A game to Strawberry Stadium next year or it will be 3 years straight.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 7:32 pm to
We were better last year as well. Scoreboard
Posted by ToulatownTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
4597 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 8:17 pm to
What he said.


But i would have to think Coach Roberts wont be around for much longer with his almost instant turn around of the program. Hopefully he stays
Posted by Informer
Member since Jun 2004
1005 posts
Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

But i would have to think Coach Roberts wont be around for much longer with his almost instant turn around of the program. Hopefully he stays




Doubtful he goes anywhere for at least a couple of more years. His family likes it in Hammond and his son is starting QB as a freshman at Hammond High. It would take a huge raise and the right job for him to bolt before his son graduates.
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