- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
2
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:00 pm to DP40
Hakeem is arguably the best defensive player in NBA history. His impact was immeasurable.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've seen them already. Defensively Dream is ahead by a mile.
Offensively they are close stats wise, but Hakeem was more versatile.
Offensively they are close stats wise, but Hakeem was more versatile.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:01 pm to mattz1122
quote:
Hakeem is arguably the best defensive player in NBA history
i agree. and shaq may be the 2nd best offensive player behind jordan (i said MAY be)
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:01 pm to DP40
quote:
Defensively Dream is ahead by a mile.
#1 v #5 is not "a mile"
noobdy argues hakeem's defensive superiority
quote:
Offensively they are close stats wise
not really. shaq has a bigger gap in offensive stats than hakeem has over shaq in defensive stats
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
I love how people use Shaq's power and strength against him, yet Hakeem's versatility is praised.
Both qualities are assets. Who cares how you do it, its about putting the ball in the hoop. If Shaq can put the ball in the hoop more due to his power, than so be it. Why is it used against him when Hakeem's skills are being praised?
Both qualities are assets. Who cares how you do it, its about putting the ball in the hoop. If Shaq can put the ball in the hoop more due to his power, than so be it. Why is it used against him when Hakeem's skills are being praised?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
slowflowpro,
when the game was on the line, the rockets went to Olujawon (possession after possession).
the lakers instead put the ball in Kobe's hand and used Shaq on the high screen. that was the lakers 4th qtr "tight game" or "come from behind" offense. Shaq screening, so kobe can score or find (fox, horry, fisher, brian shaw, rice, etc.) for the three.
when the game was on the line, the rockets went to Olujawon (possession after possession).
the lakers instead put the ball in Kobe's hand and used Shaq on the high screen. that was the lakers 4th qtr "tight game" or "come from behind" offense. Shaq screening, so kobe can score or find (fox, horry, fisher, brian shaw, rice, etc.) for the three.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Shaq has a bigger gap in offensive stats than hakeem has over shaq in defensive stats
Mr. stat guy, 1000 more blocks and top ten in steals proves you are flat wrong.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:05 pm to mattz1122
quote:
Hakeem is arguably the best defensive player in NBA history
AGREED.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
and shaq may be the 2nd best offensive player behind jordan (i said MAY be)
So MUCH FAIL. Thats right you didn't start watching sports till like 1995.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:07 pm to tiger2012
Hack-a-Shaq proves Shaq was a late game liability.
AND we haven't even gotten into how many times Shaq-led teams got swept out of the playoffs.
Anybody want to guess the quote I posted? Who said it?
AND we haven't even gotten into how many times Shaq-led teams got swept out of the playoffs.
Anybody want to guess the quote I posted? Who said it?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:08 pm to DP40
Shaq had the highest peak in the history of the NBA IMO. HO was one of the best centers ever though and was probably a more skilled basketball player then Shaq. Shaq was a freak in terms of size and agility though and that put him above everyone else in my book.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:08 pm to mattz1122
quote:
Hakeem is arguably the best defensive player in NBA history. His impact was immeasurable.
what does it say about Shaq when the "best defensive player in NBA history" cannot stop you?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:11 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Both qualities are assets. Who cares how you do it, its about putting the ball in the hoop. If Shaq can put the ball in the hoop more due to his power, than so be it. Why is it used against him when Hakeem's skills are being praised?
people on this site hate physical talent and prefer guys who work hard to more talented players who may not work as hard (but are better/equal)
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:11 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
what does it say about Shaq when the "best defensive player in NBA history" cannot stop you?
How was he supposed to "stop him" while scoring the bulk of the Rockets' points and leading a team of inferior talent to a sweep?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:15 pm to DP40
Wasn't it MJ who said that?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:16 pm to mattz1122
quote:
and leading a team of inferior talent to a sweep?
the talent gap is overstated
penny was better than anyone on the rockets not named hakeem, but nick anderson and derrick key were not great players
frick, nick anderson lost the series for the magic
grant was solid, but not some superstar
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hakeem and its not close. On Stats alone-More rebs, steals, defensive 1st teams, and he did it wearing Etonics and LaGear. Dream played the BEST teams, in the best period in NBA history. His early championship loss was to 86 Celtics, beating the Lakers to get there. His supporting cast Robert Reid, Allen Level, Lou Lloyd, Rodney McCray, injured Ralph Sampson was junk.
Due to league (over)expansion Shaq got to play in the beginning stage of WTF is this NBA. The east was terrible. Teams stopped running plays and refs fixed games to put TV markets in the finals.
There are so many more reasons. Hakeem holds a big man camp every year in Houston, that all of the young centers attend.
Due to league (over)expansion Shaq got to play in the beginning stage of WTF is this NBA. The east was terrible. Teams stopped running plays and refs fixed games to put TV markets in the finals.
There are so many more reasons. Hakeem holds a big man camp every year in Houston, that all of the young centers attend.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:17 pm to mattz1122
quote:
How was he supposed to "stop him" while scoring the bulk of the Rockets' points and leading a team of inferior talent to a sweep?
It's ok, you can just admit he couldnt stop him. No one could. No need to make stupid excuses.
btw several Rockets were huge in that Finals. Drexler, Horry, Mario Ellie, Same Cassell. How quickly people forget. To act like Hakeem put the team on his back offensively is a joke.
quote:
team of inferior talent to a sweep?
highly debatable
Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
people on this site hate physical talent and prefer guys who work hard to more talented players who may not work as hard (but are better/equal)
I fear this may turn into a Tebow thread now
Page 3 of 9
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News