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re: PGA Tour disciplines golfers 'who have decided to turn their backs' on PGA for LIV
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:00 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:00 pm to lsupride87
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Look, there are fricking horrible golfers in LIV. Horrible. If LIV had points, these horrible golfers would go and shoot +12 for the three days and still get points
It's an invitational. With top players like DJ, Na, Gooch, etc you can still add lower ranked guys & maintain a "strong" field. The "horrible golfers" won't be invited to every tournament as the field will change week to week. Can't wait for you to eat your words once the OWGR approves their application.
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:00 pm to theone
And that tournament had a cut, where the points were earned
Not a shitty awful golfer Invited to play that gets guaranteed points every week
Not a shitty awful golfer Invited to play that gets guaranteed points every week
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:01 pm to theone
I'll go further - if OWGR don't include these events the OWGR will become a joke
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:02 pm to lsufb1912
quote:Cant wait for you to eat your words when a player like Gooch who is playing good golf right now can’t play majors next year because his ranking gets depleted. Oh well, he got paid
Can't wait for you to eat your words once the OWGR approves their application
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:03 pm to theone
It will become a joke for not awarding free points to exhibition 54 hole tournaments? It’s a joke to even entertain awarding points
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:03 pm to lsupride87
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Not a shitty awful golfer Invited to play that gets guaranteed points every week
you obviously don't know how the rankings work -only the winners in lower SOF tournaments are awarded points
This tournament has a SOF above plenty of tournaments being played this week and as such the winners should be awarded points.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:04 pm to theone
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This tournament is handing out points this week.
Not many because that field is horrible. And the comment that was made was
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without any effort I'd bet off hand the field as a whole is actually better than a PGA tour event
What you linked is not a PGA Tour event. And what you linked only awarded points to the top 3 finishers and only 6 total points split up between them. For comparison, the player who finished DFL in the Memorial received about the same number of points as the runner-up finisher in that event. The strength of field in the memorial was 587 and that event a 0.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:05 pm to lsufb1912
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Can't wait for you to eat your words once the OWGR approves their application.
Will you eat yours if they don't?
Another issue, is even if they do, they don't have enough events to even get to the 40 tournament divider, even if they double the number of events next year. Your ranking is determined by your events over the last 2 years, with a minimum of 40 events used in the calculation and max of 52. LIV has 8 this year. If they doubled their events next year, that's still just 24 total events with strength of field rankings that would be low unless half the PGA tour bounced for LIV. So whatever points they accrued would be divided by 40, not by 24. Players who don't have exemptions to majors would be screwed.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
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Here is a link to an article with the LIV Tour players (even including Bryson) and their current OWGR. I'll let you do the math, but the average is not going to be even remotely close to the field in a PGA Tour event. About 20% of the field isn't even the top 500 in the world. There are a few just inside the top 2000 in the world. The field is really bad in comparison, bud.
Touche, but the top is still pretty good. Decent at least. Its not like an asian event with 2-3 top 50 players.
In reality, does the bottom of the field matter when they will never in reality compete to win? Or does the top 50% matter?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:07 pm to RD Dawg
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So how come their listed as PGA tour events?
They count as tour events for the purposes of money list/Fed Ex points/tour exemptions... stuff like that. But they aren't organized by the PGA Tour.
The Masters organizes their own tournament.
PGA of America organizes the PGA Championship
USGA organizes the US Open
The Royal and Ancient organizes The Open
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:07 pm to lsufball19
I'm not arguing if they will or wont.
I'm saying they should because this tournament - it has a known SOF (strength of field) and as such points should be awarded per their formula.
I'm saying they should because this tournament - it has a known SOF (strength of field) and as such points should be awarded per their formula.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:09 pm to lsufball19
I have not made any guarantees either way. I think OWGR will award LIV events points. lsupride and other have said "no shot" that happens.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:10 pm to baldona
Let’s make it extremely simple
We are all in agreement that if LIV had OWGR points that the PGA tour and DP tour would be finished correct?
Yes, ok good
We all understand the PGA tour president and DP president is on the OWGR Governing board correct?
Yes, ok good
Now why in the holy blue frick of holy blue fricks would the PGA and DP tour have taken the actions they did if they knew OWGR even had an iota of discussion to actually getting points?
We are all in agreement that if LIV had OWGR points that the PGA tour and DP tour would be finished correct?
Yes, ok good
We all understand the PGA tour president and DP president is on the OWGR Governing board correct?
Yes, ok good
Now why in the holy blue frick of holy blue fricks would the PGA and DP tour have taken the actions they did if they knew OWGR even had an iota of discussion to actually getting points?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:11 pm to baldona
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In reality, does the bottom of the field matter when they will never in reality compete to win? Or does the top 50% matter?
The whole field matters when they assess the strength of field part of the calculation, which determines how many points players earn for their performance in tournaments. That's why those small Asian tournaments barely award points to winners.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:11 pm to lsupride87
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We all understand the PGA tour president and DP president is on the OWGR Governing board correct?
The entire board is comprised of nothing but partners of the PGA Tour plus reps from the 4 majors.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:12 pm to lsufball19
quote:Yet they took the actions they did knowing they are going to award points to LIV and bury their own organization
The entire board is comprised of nothing but partners of the PGA Tour plus reps from the 4 majors.
Makes sense
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:12 pm to lsupride87
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Now why in the holy blue frick of holy blue fricks would the PGA and DP tour have taken the actions they did if they knew OWGR even had an iota of discussion to actually getting points?
Now this is a valid argument - let's see who on the board can be bribed
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:14 pm to lsupride87
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Because the PGA allows the Majors to count towards its status, but they have no affiliation
I wonder if DJ or any of the guys wins the US Open next week will it count as a PGA Tour victory.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:15 pm to theone
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I'm saying they should because this tournament - it has a known SOF (strength of field) and as such points should be awarded per their formula.
Since you replied before my edit
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Another issue, is even if they did get OWGR approval, they don't have enough events to get to the 40 tournament divider, even if they doubled the number of events next year. Your OWGR is determined by your events over the last 2 years, with a minimum of 40 events used in the calculation and max of 52. If you compete in fewer than 40 events in that 2 year period, your points accrued is still divided by 40. LIV has 8 only events this year. If they doubled their events next year, that's still just 24 total events with a strength of field number that would be low unless half the PGA tour bounced for LIV and the axed half the guys currently on the LIV Tour. So whatever points they accrued would be divided by 40, not by 24. Players who don't already have exemptions to play in the majors would be screwed in that scenario, and that's assuming the majors still let LIV guys play after this year.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:16 pm to theone
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Now this is a valid argument
This argument has been made a lot. It would be self-defeating for the board members of the OWGR to approve the LIV application.
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