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re: Peyton Manning's Top 5 QB's

Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:46 am to
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:46 am to
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Did josh "completely eliminate the turnovers" that game or did he not?


I never commented on that? You really are out of your element.

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Try again dairy I'm dumb sanders


Oh wow. Much wit. Such insult. Lol
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:48 am to
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That would be 10 turnovers in a 17 game season. If Allen did that in the regular season he is MVP with ease


Not of he throws up qb ratings of 69% in 20% of those games.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:49 am to
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never commented on that? You really are out of your element.


It was in response to my comment on it? You're clueless kid.

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wow. Much wit. Such insult. Lol


This has been a big day for you. Take some lithium and chill bud
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:52 am to
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Not of he throws up qb ratings of 69% in 20% of those games.
Yes, he would

Lamar won mvp this year and he had 2 games with a passer rating under 70. 4 with a rating under 80

I promise you is Allen averages his playoff numbers for the regular season , he is mvp.

64.6%—328.6 yards/game—2.6 tds/game—0.4 int/game—100 rating

For perspective that would be 5,576 yards, 44 tds, and only 7 ints

I understand you hate him with a passion, but his level and ability to outperform his regular season self in the playoffs is unique and elite.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 10:54 am
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:56 am to
And yet his passer rating is still over 6 points better than Burrow’s in the playoffs. That doesn’t even factor in his contribute as runner. That makes it a landslide lol.

Again there is no individual measurement that points to Burrow being a better player. None. His team made a SB. Cool. That’s a team accomplishment and has nothing to do with individual players, especially when Burrow was thoroughly mediocre during that run. Everyone outside of Burrow stans - including legit Bengals fans - knows that the defense and special teams carried them.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:58 am to
In the playoffs the bengals have been a defensive led team. That is 100% accurate

But burrow has a clear advantage over Allen in regular season turnovers. There absolutely is an argument to to be made for burrow over Allen if one chooses it
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25700 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:19 am to
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But burrow has a clear advantage over Allen in regular season turnovers


And passer rating at their 25 and 26 age years.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25700 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:20 am to
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Again there is no individual measurement that points to Burrow being a better player. None.


Bulllllllshit. Dairy I'm dumb Sanders why do you have to speak in false hyperbole so much? We know how dumb you are, no need to reinforce it with silly comments like this.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:42 am to
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Joe burrow teams give up 18 ppg in the playoffs

Josh Allen teams give up 24

For reference, a 6 difference is the margin of the #1 scoring defense vs the 18th

This “more with less” is a fabricated lsu fan token line

Bengals have the better WR corps

They have had by far a better defense in the playoffs as well

Bills have had a better O line


I'm not arguing the defense, Joe Burrow and Josh Allen have nothing to do with that. "More with less" is not an argument I've seen made, albeit I have rarely had this discussion, it's just my opinion, so I don't know what is some fabricated LSU fan token line.

Bengals have the edge in WR's but let's not act like Allen was hurting there. He had an all pro WR and a solid #2. The gap wasn't that big. The OL is more important for the offense's success overall than the 2nd and 3rd WR options and the Bengals O-Line was BY FAR worse. Like a pathetic offensive line. It's not hard to see why someone would make that argument, and it's not just an LSU argument.

And like I said, its a toss up. I mean you basically said the same thing earlier in the thread. You can look at numerous websites rankings and one will have Burrow ahead and the next will have Allen ahead. This isn't some LSU board conspiracy. Obviously much more here lean Burrow but even if you take it outside the Tigerdroppings bubble, it's a pretty even split.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107923 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:44 am to
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And like I said, its a toss up. I mean you basically said the same thing earlier in the thread. You can look at numerous websites rankings and one will have Burrow ahead and the next will have Allen ahead. This isn't some LSU board conspiracy. Obviously much more here lean Burrow but even if you take it outside the Tigerdroppings bubble, it's a pretty even split.
I do 100% agree with this

But I do not believe that is the overall sentiment of this website
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 11:45 am
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
2963 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:58 am to
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But burrow has a clear advantage over Allen in regular season turnovers. There absolutely is an argument to to be made for burrow over Allen if one chooses it


True, but Allen does have to do more for his offense than Burrow has to do for his and we did see that Burrow’s numbers were matched by a back up who hadn’t started since college last season.

For me, their talent and performances speak clearly to who is better. Like I said, the top 3 are pretty set right now. 4-10 are all pretty equal and about preference.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 11:59 am
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:05 pm to
Allen is the best one. Put him on the Chiefs and he is doing everything that Mahomes is doing and more. Allen had better TD to Int ration last year too with one of the worst offensive line in the league. He also had more bad weather games to play in than Mahomes.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107923 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:09 pm to
Bills did not have a bad o line. I will say I do think they had the worst coordinator in all od football before they fired him. It was night and day difference once Dorsey left
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:12 pm to
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Bills did not have a bad o line. I will say I do think they had the worst coordinator in all od football before they fired him. It was night and day difference once Dorsey left


Exactly. It's amazing people just seem to forget how good Allen is because he didn't have as good of a year as the one before. Yet it was still a good year especially when you consider all the factors he dealt with. Diggs being a bitch, horrible offensive line, terrible coordinator for over half of the season.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107923 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:16 pm to
Dude the line wasn’t terrible I would say they were top 10
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:19 pm to
Wrong. Every ranking you find the Bill's was bottom 10. Some had them as 3rd worst.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:24 pm to
This PFF had them ranked 23rd. Not as bad as i thought but still one of the 10 worst. LINK
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:28 pm to
22. Buffalo Bills
In third-and-long situations, Buffalo’s offensive line allowed pressure in 2.5 seconds or less at a league-worst 45.9% rate. Without any notable changes to the first-team unit, don’t expect much improvement in 2024.
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
3583 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:31 pm to
LINK
Chiefs offensive line ranked 3rd best and Mahomes still threw 14 interceptions. Put him on Bill's and he probably throws 20 interceptions. It's unreal the hype this guy gets being surrounded by the best play caller and one of the top offensive line in the league.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107923 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:47 pm to
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This PFF had them ranked 23rd. Not as bad as i thought but still one of the 10 worst. LINK
No

You posted an article from July 2023….That is the 2022 o line ranking

PFF rated our o line 6th for the 2023 season

LINK
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