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re: OBJ "outing campaign"
Posted on 1/21/16 at 12:47 pm to sugar71
Posted on 1/21/16 at 12:47 pm to sugar71
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More popular & better than the Dream Teamers because of pay?
You want me to compare the average NBA player to the best of the 90's players?
Yea I'd say the dream team is better than the average nba player. Is that supposed to mean something?
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 12:48 pm to sugar71
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My point being those face , neck , arm ,etc... tattoos worn by today's NBA ' metro Sexuals' are far more a detriment in business than the clothes of Pre dress code players.
What's the percentage of star nba players with face and neck tats? 0%?
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:02 pm to slackster
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That isn't true at all.
The guy with tattoos everywhere will still get the interview if he is wearing a business suit. The guy who walks in the room with a dew rag, Starter jacket, and pants at his knees is getting escorted out by police.
You've made some fair points, but you've gone off the rails here.
Thanks. But I've been ' triggered'. Lol. Any you're being foolish.
Why keep patronizing young Black men with this nonsense?
They know that doo rags aren't allowed to be employed at even low salary jobs like McDonalds , Burger King ,Popeyes or even some Janitorial work requires a uniform.
So what's with the Paternalistic BS that they don't understand that dressing like Rip Hamilton or Iverson that they can't get a basic job?
They KNOW & understand at least basic business dress codes already just by entering fast food chains & seeing employees nicely dressed in matching hats , shirts & pants .
You cant remove the neck , arm & face tattoos of the new NBA metro sexuals ,but one can remove chains & doo rags .
Young Jordan use to wear his gold chains on the court.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:04 pm to sugar71
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You cant remove the neck , arm & face tattoos of the new NBA metro sexuals ,but one can remove chains & doo rags .
There's only a small percentage of players with neck and face tats. And virtually none of them are stars.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:14 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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There's only a small percentage of players with neck and face tats. And virtually none of them are stars.
So you've changed when you realized your ' role model' metro sexuals have arm ,neck & face tattoos that aren't as easily removed as clothing deemed unacceptable in a work place.
Clothes can easily be changed or removed .
Most young Black kids understand basic dress codes & don't need your patronizing nor your new role models like Jarvis Crittendon, Gilbert Arenas, Felton( and the many other dress code NBA players) or the nicley dressed OJ Simpson.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:17 pm to sugar71
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Most young Black kids understand basic dress codes & don't need your patronizing nor your new role models like Jarvis Crittendon, Gilbert Arenas, Felton( and the many other dress code NBA players) or the nicley dressed OJ Simpson.
I don't really understand where you're going with this argument.
I never argued that the dress code was put in place to make them role models. It was a business decision. One that has worked extremely well.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:23 pm to sugar71
Seriously, man. It's time to step away from the keyboard for a while. I at least hope you are copying and pasting these sentences that you keep repeating to save keystrokes.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:24 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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It was a business decision. One that has worked extremely well.
Nah. It was all about oppression. Keeping young black athletes from expressing themselves. Appeasing the predominantly white class of people that enables those young black men to have a job playing basketball and making millions.
It was a social message, from a white CEO, to his predominantly black employees, that they are always to be a permanent underclass!!
Ratings and the financial bottom line were just a secondary consideration for ole Stearn, and the fact that both have significantly improved is only an unintended consequence of that social decision.
ETA: God, it must be a miserable to actually live with that shite and wholeheartedly believe it.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:25 pm to sugar71
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So what's with the Paternalistic BS that they don't understand that dressing like Rip Hamilton or Iverson that they can't get a basic job?
I think you're trying to see something that isn't there.
While there are obvious exceptions, the way someone dresses and carries themselves says a lot about the person and often has a high correlation with their success in business and/or their income level. I'm aware that correlation isn't causation, but why not do what you can to model yourself, including your dress, after the majority of successful people?
As ridiculous as it may seem, there is often some truth in dressing for the job you want, not the one you have.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:32 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I never argued that the dress code was put in place to make them role models. It was a business decision. One that has worked extremely well.
NBA expanded by dozens of teams ,became internationally popular worked extremely well & growing before the dress code .
I have never said I was against a minimum 'dress code.
But I understand many Whites feel more comfortable with their Black males neutered / metro sexual ,but don't pretend the NBA just recently took off because of a 'dress code
They've changed rules to free up offensive players as well & some might find the knew softer higher scoring NBA more fun ,but don't pretend it's because of dress codes.
The League had bogged down & only 2 NBA teams around 2004 or 05 averaged over 100 ppg Offensively .
Today because of the no contact rule changes ( that fits with their metro sexual dress) a majority of NBA teams are scoring over 100ppg. Some over 110 ppg.
NFL proved fans really like Offense , ball movement & the NBA obliged.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:44 pm to sugar71
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NBA expanded by dozens of teams ,became internationally popular worked extremely well & growing before the dress code . But I understand many Whites feel more comfortable with their Black males neutered / metro sexual ,but don't pretend the NBA just recently took off because of a 'dress code.
Yea at the time of Jordan and the Dream team. Then it started to stagnate once Jordan retired.
The NBA has surged massively in the last 6 or 7 years. A significant factor in that is shedding the image they had in the early 2000s. I don't understand how that's really deniable. The NBA was in a lull in terms of number of marketable star players. There were plenty in the 90's. There are plenty now. There were only a handful back in the early 2000s.
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They've changed rules to free up offensive players as well & some might find the knew softer higher scoring NBA more fun ,but don't pretend it's because of dress codes.
Except that the NBA is lower scoring now then it was then. Christ dude, do you even follow the NBA?
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Oxford shirts or not I know fans are aware of stars like Arenas pulling weapons in an arena( his adversary killing someone ), Kobe going in dry ,Felton, & other NBA arrests.
Arenas is out of the NBA and has been for some time. Felton is a star? Since when?
I still don't really see your point here. You're mad at the NBA because they told the players to dress professionally when on the job?
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:46 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You're mad at the NBA because they told the players to dress professionally when on the job?
No, he's strangely upset that Tim Duncan can't wear sweatpants anymore.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 1:53 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Except that the NBA is lower scoring now then it was then. Christ dude, do you even follow the NBA?
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I said 2004/ 2005 season just before dress code rules.
Since then with softer rules & your nicely dressed metro sexuals like Harden barrelling down the paint with little or no contact & flopping if one someone gets too close ( and getting the calls frequently).
Scoring / Ball movement / Offense has improved immensley since 2004/ 2005 .
Fans like Offense. On the Court changes with the NBA product.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 2:11 pm to sugar71
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I said 2004/ 2005 season just before dress code rules.
League average was 97 ppg then. League average is around 98 ppg for the last 5 seasons.
I don't think a 1 ppg increase has made much of a difference.
There's many factors that go into why the NBA has surged in the last several years. Dress code isn't the only factor. But it is a factor.
ETA: and the massive expansion and international popularity boom happened in the mid 90's. Not the early 2000's.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 2:28 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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League average was 97 ppg then. League average is around 98 ppg for the last 5 seasons.
I don't think a 1 ppg increase has made much of a difference.
There's many factors that go into why the NBA has surged in the last several years. Dress code isn't the only factor. But it is a factor.
ETA: and the massive expansion and international popularity boom happened in the mid 90's. Not the early 2000's.
Only 2 teams squeaked over 100 ppg in 2004.
Over 20 teams are averaging over 100 ppg today ( a couple around 110). Your better teams are moving the ball better & scoring more & trending towards old NBA scoring by teams ppg.
If James Harden barrelling down the lane untouched is what one likes ...but don't pretend some dress code is the reason.
Pistons / Pacers ,etc......77-72 isolation ball / snore fests & ( product on the floor) had more to do with fan lack of interest.
Eta: As far as expansion & other things I was referring to how the NBA managed to become so internationally popular with better ratings , in a Era considered its Golden Age( 80's & 90's) all before the rise of the badly tattooed metro sexual.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 2:34 pm to sugar71
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If James Harden barrelling down the lane untouched is what one likes ...but don't pretend some dress code is the reason.
As stated by me and many others in this thread. The dress code is not the sole reason for increase in popularity. It helped. It was a factor. It was a business decision that worked very well. I don't see how you can deny that.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 2:35 pm to sugar71
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Era considered its Golden Age( 80's & 90's)
The NBA's golden age is happening right now.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 4:09 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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As stated by me and many others in this thread. The dress code is not the sole reason for increase in popularity. It helped. It was a factor. It was a business decision that worked very well. I don't see how you can deny that.
And as stated by me here numerous times minimum dress codes are understandable. If it makes a certain demographic( $$$$$$$)feel better .....but don't patronize anyone with the ' role model' stuff. (Put lipstick on a pig.........)
Allen Iverson( not a huge fan) comfortably has the 3rd best selling NBA Jersey of all time( MJ & Kobe ) & signed one of the biggest apparel endorsements.
I'd say the AI was fairly popular or more popular than most players/ metro sexual stars today.
The NBA game play has necessarily evolved & is as soft as some of the stars fashion ,but don't mistake favorable rule changes to open the game with ' better' individual players.
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 4:16 pm to sugar71
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If it makes a certain demographic( $$$$$$$)feel better .....but don't patronize anyone with the ' role model' stuff. (Put lipstick on a pig.........)
So you don't think the NBA had an "image" problem in the early 2000s?
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The NBA game has evolved & is as soft as some of the stars fashion ,but don't mistake favorable rule changes to open the game with ' better' individual players.
I'm not confusing anything. Players are better today than they were back then. That's just a fact. I don't give a frick if you think the top 5 players from 30 years ago are better than the top 5 players today. That doesn't mean shite. The quality of play on average is much better today that ever really. Better defense. Better offense. Better coaching. Better talent.
Also what is the deal with calling everyone metrosexual? Is this code for something?
Posted on 1/21/16 at 4:41 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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So you don't think the NBA had an "image" problem in the early 2000s?
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The NBA game has evolved & is as soft as some of the stars fashion ,but don't mistake favorable rule changes to open the game with ' better' individual players.
I'm not confusing anything. Players are better today than they were back then. That's just a fact. I don't give a frick if you think the top 5 players from 30 years ago are better than the top 5 players today. That doesn't mean shite. The quality of play on average is much better today that ever really. Better defense. Better offense. Better coaching. Better talent.
Also what is the deal with calling everyone metrosexual? Is this code for something?
The NBA had 'image problems' ( wink wink) in the 1970's when NBA Finals were on tape delay until Magic & Bird showed up.
Had nothing to do with Hip Hop ,silly dress codes ,etc....... & the League began to prosper when the product improved on the floor / became more interesting.
If it makes you feel better that James Harden & others can go virtually untouched & flop around the lane & go to the line.
Team Scoring is up though & fans like Offense. Metro sexual since they seem more competitive about who wears the cutest/ tightest skinny jeans than being fierce on court competitors at times. No one questioned AI's competiveness on the floor .
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 4:47 pm
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