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re: NIL - are there rules that would prevent these events from happening?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:57 am to TopFlightSecurity
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:57 am to TopFlightSecurity
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I love the NIL, it's the most American thing that's happened in 2021.
Absolutely true
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:11 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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No it’s not. They are suppose to be amateurs. If you want to be an amateur athlete then you don’t get compensated. Hell they never should have been given scholarships. Then they started giving them priority housing, priority scheduling, the best meal plan + exclusive dining, free clothing and medical care. They got all those benefits that weren’t extended to any other students and still complained. Then they started getting those “CoL stipends”, which was essentially a salary (that they didn’t have to pay taxes on) from the school of $300-700 a month and they still complained.
You sound miserable, you should really stop following college sports.
BTW, the only reason half the schools have decent football teams is because they relax admissions criteria for athletes because they have a "special skill". Many of the players that start for LSU would not qualify to go to LSU otherwise.
As for it being "amateur", are you really so naïve? College athletics has not really been amateur for at least a century, I'd say. Major college football has not really been at any point in my lifetime and I am going to be 60 in January. Everything you are complaining about has been going on since before I started watching, just not accounted for until the NCAA made specific rules to address these things and provide for transparency.
If you want "true amateurism" you need to eliminat athletic scholarships and just start fielding teams from the student body. No one will pay to see that.
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I’m going to my laugh my arse off when some nutsack has to explain to his used car salesman pimp why he got cut from the roster in summer camp because he spent too much time doing shite off the field/court and now has to transfer 7 hours away just to compete for playing time.
Seriously doubt that will happen to anyone it wouldn't have happened to for something else.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:21 pm to mdomingue
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You sound miserable, you should really stop following college sports.
Good idea. Good luck making money when no one’s watching.
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BTW, the only reason half the schools have decent football teams is because they relax admissions criteria for athletes because they have a "special skill". Many of the players that start for LSU would not qualify to go to LSU otherwise.
You assume that I believe they should have lower academic standards. I don’t.
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College athletics has not really been amateur for at least a century, I'd say
You’d be wrong but okay.
Jock sniffers keep SIMPing for these new laws being good for the players and that we should all be happy for them… why? How does that benefit me as an alumni? How does that benefit me as a fan? How does it benefit my alma mater? How does this improve the sport(s)?
All this change that won’t improve anything for 99.9% of the involved parties, but I’m suppose to celebrate it? The system wasn’t broken, so it didn’t need fixing.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:53 pm to mdomingue
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It's a scholarship. Do your kids get a 1099 for their scholarship money? How about for TOPS? That is the comparison, Not what the schools or the kids get from it. NIL money will require reporting to the IRS.
LSU offers a free what $100,000 (at least) education that envolves room and board free meals and a stipend to someone in exchange for PLAYING FOOTBALL AT LSU.
Walk Ons offers $50,000 to be in three commercials because you PLAY FOOTBALL AT LSU.
Why is it laughable to compare them in the same light?
You rail on guys because they look thru the lens of how they’ve always seen it….
But you are doing the same thing.
It’s not just “a scholarship” anymore. It can be looked at as compensation now because they are receiving it for the same reasons they are receiving the WalkOns money.
They are paid to play. The only reason they have a marketable NIL is because they are a football player at LSU.
Its laughable to have that discussion? That the IRS might ultimately look at it differently at some point?
You might be correct that it won’t change so dramatically. But it’s far from laughable to have a discussion
Someone said it a few posts ago. All the players want to be treated like pros. Well there are downsides to that too.
And like I said before I stand by. LSU fans only feel they way they do because we know we are in the HAVES of this equation.
And to add, your comparison to my kid at LSU with a scholarship is apples to oranges. His job and pay is totally independent of his attendance or grades or anything else. They literally don’t give a shite he goes to LSU. Literally everything that player is getting revolves around him being on that team.
Btw. I don’t have any kids in college yet.
And also I’m not saying I’m right you’re wrong. I have no damn clue. I could be wrong. But it’s far from laughable.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:02 pm to lepdagod
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This whole NIL was brought upon by ridiculous high coaches salary… some of these coaches are complete idiots … of course kids where finally going to want to get paid
muti-billion dollar TV deals had a lot more to do with it
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:08 pm to mdomingue
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If you want "true amateurism" you need to eliminat athletic scholarships and just start fielding teams from the student body. No one will pay to see that.
Until the 1950s, NCAA athletes could only be given need-based financial aid. Athletic scholarships weren't permitted until the NCAA changed the rules in 1950. People paid to watch college sports before 1950.
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College athletics has not really been amateur for at least a century, I'd say
Well, you'd be wrong
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
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This whole NIL was brought upon by ridiculous high coaches salary
This is an issue because of groups like TAF and individual booster groups.
Parents and kids see these businessmen and groups getting rich off LSU football and started asking why can’t the people who actually perform get some of that. Think to yourself. How insane was it that Fournettes uncle could make Booga merch and make a profit. But Leonard couldn’t have any of that personally?
Has nothing to do with coaches.
When the big money went off the books and outside of the schools purview this was inevitable.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:18 pm to lsufball19
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muti-billion dollar TV deals had a lot more to do with it
Bingo. And you know who lead the crusade for this out of guilt and the lemmings jumped on board with them?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:19 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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You sound miserable, you should really stop following college sports.
Good idea. Good luck making money when no one’s watching.
I was suggesting you stop, I highly doubt everyone or even the majority of either casual or serious college sports fans care one way or the other.
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You assume that I believe they should have lower academic standards. I don’t
Entry admission I meant, in case that wasn't clear in my original wording. But the fact remains that they have lowered admissions standards for athletes, for over a century for many schools and decades for every competitive school.
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Jock sniffers
Tell what that is supposed to mean or if it supposed to be somehow clever. quote:
keep SIMPing for these new laws being good for the players
How would it not be? How is anyone OK with a person being prohibited from earning a dollar from their own likeness?
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that we should all be happy for them
That is your call and our happiness is not very relevant to this. I don't think you should feel any different than you feel.
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All this change that won’t improve anything for 99.9% of the involved parties, but I’m suppose to celebrate it?
No one is expecting you to celebrate it. No reason to celebrate it or to disparage it. It is just the way it is. I think it is a good thing, you think it is a bad thing.
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The system wasn’t broken, so it didn’t need fixing.
The system that asked athletes to put their health and potential livelihood at risk and put up major impediments to athletes seeking professional employment while simultaneously generating hundreds of millions (billions more likely) of dollars in revenue wasn't broken? All the while
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:22 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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College athletics has not really been amateur for at least a century, I'd say
This is such a horrible take and really just shows you only look at the top 40 or so largest and mainstream schools.
Most colleges run athletics at a deficit and do it for betterment of the school, overall development of student life and school pride.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:22 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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How insane was it that Fournettes uncle could make Booga merch and make a profit. But Leonard could have any of that personally?
See this is incorrect. Leonard could have taken the some of that money any time he wanted to (and I’m sure he did) and no one would have stopped him. He just couldn’t take that money and still be eligible to play college football. There’s a trade off in every decision you make.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:07 pm to lsufball19
quote:quote:Until the 1950s, NCAA athletes could only be given need-based financial aid. Athletic scholarships weren't permitted until the NCAA changed the rules in 1950. People paid to watch college sports before 1950
If you want "true amateurism" you need to eliminat athletic scholarships and just start fielding teams from the student body. No one will pay to see that
From what I can tell, the first scholarship rules put into place were those rules. It was kind of the wild west before that. From the Marquete Sports Law Review.
A Brief History of the National Collegiate Athletic
Association's Role in Regulating Intercollegiate
Athletics
quote:quote:Well, you'd be wrong
College athletics has not really been amateur for at least a century, I'd say
From the footnotes in the above article:
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7. The commercialization of intercollegiate athletics, with the payment of star athletes,
was rather firmly entrenched by the latter part of the 19th Century. For example, it is reported that Hogan, a successful student-athlete at Yale at that time, was compensated with:
(1) a suite of rooms in the dorm; (2) free meals at the University club; (3) a one-hundred
dollar scholarship; (4) the profits from the sale of programs; (5) an agency arrangement with
the American Tobacco Company, under which he received a commission on cigarettes sold in
New Haven; and (6) a ten-day paid vacation to Cuba. See Smith, Death Penalty, supra note 6,
at 989.
Not wrong at all.
College athletics existed for at leat 50 years prior to the creation of Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States in 1906 (renamed the National Collegiate Athletic Association in 1910). There were numerous examples of colleges and universities using non students on teams and providing financial assistance and incentives to athletes prior to that. Initially, the NCAA had no regulations regarding financial assistance and primarily set about creating rules for football to increase safety, partially as a result of the 1905 season in which 18 college and amateur players died during games.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:42 pm to chinhoyang
An “in game” transfer would be fricking awesome!
QB switches jersey at halftime for NIL booty.
QB switches jersey at halftime for NIL booty.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:46 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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But it’s far from laughable.
The guy (not me) was laughing at someone hoping tuition plus room and Board would show up on a 1099. It is laughable to think that a student who receives an athletic scholarship should be taxed for the value of what he receives without thought that a student shouldn't be similarly taxed for an academic scholarship of essentially the same value,
Now you could maybe make a case for things that are not typically offered to not athletes.
If a person doesn't want to draw that sort of reaction, they should make an emotional and reactive post like
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I hope they all get 1099's for tuition and room & board
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You rail on guys because they look thru the lens of how they’ve always seen it…
I don't think I do that but I will try to be aware if I do. I am nearly 60 years old. The way things have always been has changed a few times for me now so I don't count on that at all.
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And to add, your comparison to my kid at LSU with a scholarship is apples to oranges. His job and pay is totally independent of his attendance or grades or anything else. They literally don’t give a shite he goes to LSU.
And my point about the 1099 for tuition room and board is discussed above.
Well, sometimes kids get a job because they are an LSU student in a specific curriculum. I do have two kids at LSU. My son has Tops. My daughter has TOPS and two other scholarships. She also had a job for LSU (as did my son as an RA) and has an internship directly related to her being at LSU.
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Literally everything that player is getting revolves around him being on that team.
NIL is closer to what I said above, related to them being at LSU. But in reality, it can be simply related to them having a following online which may actually have started before they got to LSU. Leonard Fournete could have cashed in prior to committing to LSU. For man their viability for NIL is related to their abilities AND where they play. And they will 100% be taxed on NIL income.
I can't say this is ideal for college athletics but it is at least in part a result of the continual commercialization by these very institutions in order to increase their own revenue. I have no issues with either, it is the world we live in. this may not be ideal, but I do not think there is an ideal situation.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 4:54 pm to mdomingue
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How would it not be? How is anyone OK with a person being prohibited from earning a dollar from their own likeness?
No one was preventing them from doing so. They were preventing them from doing that while also being a scholarship athlete. An agreement that they were willingly and freely accepting.
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The system that asked athletes to put their health and potential livelihood at risk and put up major impediments to athletes seeking professional employment while simultaneously generating hundreds of millions (billions more likely) of dollars in revenue wasn't broken? All the while
So you want to blow up amateur athletics in this country because professional leagues have their own rules to help with quality control? Seems drastic.
Colleges exist (or at least were created) to enrich young minds in various fields of study so that young men and women can go out in the world with that knowledge in that field and become productive members of society. It was never intended to be a profit making space/opportunity for them as students, but as a means for them to learn the tools that would help them once they left and became professionals.
If they don’t see the value in that, then fine let them get paid. However if they don’t value the free education and other benefits they receive as student athletes, then let them pay for that out of their own earnings. No more free ride. No more free priority housing. No more lower academic requirements. No more free tutor. No more free food. No more free healthcare. No more free clothing.
I will say that they need to balance out how many scholarships that schools are allowed to offer in each sport. Football has 85 (90 right now) when maybe half of those guys contribute with any sort of regularity throughout the year while baseball gets a 11.whatever. There’s no logic in that.
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