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re: NHL Playoffs.
Posted on 4/12/10 at 6:52 pm to UnluckyTiger
Posted on 4/12/10 at 6:52 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Oh and don't forget this gem..
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Posted on 4/12/10 at 6:57 pm to Chino
good job having a fat frick do this
Posted on 4/12/10 at 7:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Are you happy Mr. Dolan? Missed again with both teams.
Posted on 4/12/10 at 8:00 pm to UnluckyTiger
I think Luongo is the biggest question mark between the pipes in the playoffs. He's looked awful at times down the stretch.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 12:34 am to Baloo
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think Luongo is the biggest question mark between the pipes in the playoffs. He's looked awful at times down the stretch.
I think that's an overstatement to say the least. Luongo has been questioned for his "mettle" but the guy has a career playoff save % of .930, which is simply outstanding. He got lit up in two games last year against Chicago, but was lights out in their other games. Of the elite (or well known) goaltenders, Nabokov is the one with the most question marks IMO. He posted a .890 save percentage in the playoffs last year and was simply atrocious all around. And he got lit up in the Olympics too; not exactly someone who has stepped up in the big games. The odd thing about this year is how many guys with no playoff experience whatsoever are in net. 7 of the 16 have none whatsoever.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 12:50 am to Baloo
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Yes, that whole one time Sid's team has beaten Ovie's team in the postseason is certainly dispositive. Especially when the Pens finished 8 points ahead in the standings that season and were the favorites to win. Ovie is obviously a choking dog based on this sample.
Last year, the Pens had 99 points and the Caps had 108 with home ice advantage so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Getting blown out on your home ice in a game 7 just doesn't look good. But people claiming Sid has the edge are not simply referring to that series. It goes back to the Junior Olympics and of course the Olympics this year where a supposedly "evenly" matched Ovechkin led team essentially gave up and was blown out by "Crosby's" Team Canada. I happen to think Ovie is a good player and wouldn't consider him a choker. Based on clutch performances when it has mattered most though, the facts clearly point to Sid being superior at this point in their respective careers.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:18 am to dnwsr
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Based on clutch performances when it has mattered most though, the facts clearly point to Sid being superior at this point in their respective careers.
This is exactly what I was referring to, this coupled with Ovie's increasing reputation for dirty play could cost Washington a shot at the finals; I say could because it is not in the leagues best interest to have Ovie miss playoff games. The way to neutralize Ovie is simple; constant harrasment and physical play...take away time and space for him to be creative...
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:38 am to LSUCanFAN
GOOOOOO Redwings!
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:50 am to dnwsr
quote:But I'm talking about right now. He allowed at least 3 goals in every game this month. Since the Olympic break, he has posted zero shutouts and has held a team to two goals or less only four times. He's been getting lit up. Something is wrong with Luongo right now. Quoting his past playoff stats is not rebutting the statement: Luongo has looked terrible after the break.
I think that's an overstatement to say the least. Luongo has been questioned for his "mettle" but the guy has a career playoff save % of .930, which is simply outstanding.
And there is no world in which Russia and Canada were "evenly matched" in the Olympics. Those KHL players were clearly outclassed. Crosby's whole "clutch" reputation relies on one series.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:51 am to indianswim
I will never go against an original 6 team unless they are playing against my beloved Leafs; which given their present form is never gonna happen... 
Posted on 4/13/10 at 9:29 am to LSUCanFAN
Let's go Hawks!!!!
Posted on 4/13/10 at 9:59 am to Baloo
with all due respect Baloo, Crosby's reputation does NOT rest on one series, previous poster is right; Memorial cup, World Juniors, Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, NHL every level of hockey he's been successful, What exactly about Ovie measures up? I'm not saying he's overrated but He's Jagr to Mario...
Posted on 4/13/10 at 10:56 am to LSUCanFAN
Jagr to Mario doesn't make much sense given they were on the same team. The most common thing I'm hearing is the NBA analogy of Wilt to Russell. Which is crazy. They have played in one postseason series, which the Pens won in 7.
this current construction of the Caps has only been to the playoffs twice, and this is their third trip (the Pens are only slightly ahead of the curve - three trips). Making judgments on the clutchiness or choke-ness of either player based on two seasons is crazy.
I'm not saying Crosby isn't good or that he hasn't won things. he has. but this standard storyline of "Crosby is the winner and Ovie is the loser who just racks up stats" is based on one series. It's not true. Now, if the Caps continually come up short, maybe we'll have something, but the Caps really have just got for real good last season. I thinking people are totally jumping the gun with the Wilt/Russell hockey analogy.
BLASPHEMY ALERT. Also, it's sort of disserivce to Crosby, as Russell is kind of overrated.
this current construction of the Caps has only been to the playoffs twice, and this is their third trip (the Pens are only slightly ahead of the curve - three trips). Making judgments on the clutchiness or choke-ness of either player based on two seasons is crazy.
I'm not saying Crosby isn't good or that he hasn't won things. he has. but this standard storyline of "Crosby is the winner and Ovie is the loser who just racks up stats" is based on one series. It's not true. Now, if the Caps continually come up short, maybe we'll have something, but the Caps really have just got for real good last season. I thinking people are totally jumping the gun with the Wilt/Russell hockey analogy.
BLASPHEMY ALERT. Also, it's sort of disserivce to Crosby, as Russell is kind of overrated.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:00 am to Baloo
Of course he is going to be a sid homer, but lets just look at it this way, Sid had a career year in goals and 2nd best year in points with 51 goals( 1 better than Ovie) and 109 points tied with Ovie all while Ovie played 9 less games, Ovie would have ran away with goals and points if his arse wasn't getting suspended and we know how consistent the NHL is with laying down the law
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:03 am to Baloo
All i am saying is that Ovie hasn't won anything yet...like Jagr he'll get his 1 or 2 Stanley Cups (and it might not be with Washington BTW) but in the end the KHL will get his last few years and people will ask; "whatever happened to Ovie?" and I'll answer he's in lower slabovia with his chubby babicka!
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:17 am to LSUCanFAN
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:18 am to LSUCanFAN
quote:Ovie is signed for another 11 years. If he wins a Cup, it is more than likely it will be with the Caps.
and it might not be with Washington BTW
I think if we're making a basketball comp, it's more Bird and Magic. Magic won his title first because he got drafted by a team closer to being ready to win it all. But both are pretty loaded now.
For the Caps, the real key is Theodore. He's been awesome these last three months, and has not lost a game in regulation since mid-January. His third period save percentage during that stretch is upwards of .975, which is crazy good. He's got twin motivations, his contract is up and he's playing for the memory of his child who died last offseason. He's been a different player since then. He's a hard guy to root against right now.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:26 am to Lexo
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Devils get the Flyers in the first round. Not good considering we haven't beaten those Philly bastards all season.
it might end up being like a flyers home game the first 2 games, the devils can't sell that joint out and you know those crazy fricks from philly will show up
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:58 am to Baloo
22k in the Bell Centre will have noooo problem rooting against him...
Posted on 4/13/10 at 2:24 pm to Baloo
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But I'm talking about right now. He allowed at least 3 goals in every game this month. Since the Olympic break, he has posted zero shutouts and has held a team to two goals or less only four times. He's been getting lit up. Something is wrong with Luongo right now. Quoting his past playoff stats is not rebutting the statement: Luongo has looked terrible after the break.
I do think you have to factor in how they're playing down the stretch, but Luongo's playoff % is significantly higher than his regular season % in his career. And I think that shows he has consistently raised his level of play when it's counted most. Vancouver didn't have much to gain or lose in the last few weeks so I'm not sure if I'd read too much into it. And he did a solid job in the Olympics, where he had a ton of pressure. I'm not saying he's going to be posting shutouts left and right; I just disagree with the assessment that he is the most questionable of the playoff goalies. Especially since there are 7 guys with no experience and then guys like Nabokov who have struggled mightily in the big games.
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And there is no world in which Russia and Canada were "evenly matched" in the Olympics. Those KHL players were clearly outclassed. Crosby's whole "clutch" reputation relies on one series.
They were certainly outclassed, but that's not necessarily a reflection of the talent level. The fact is that EVERYONE had Russia and Canada as the two most talented teams going in. And Ovechkin was indeed the leader of that team. It's not so much that they lost to Canada, but it was the fact of how bad they lost. The U.S., Slovakia, Czech. Republic, all did more with less. Again, I don't think it's fair to blame everything on Ovie and I already said I don't consider him a choker. But there is more evidence than the one series you cited that has led people to draw that conclusion. I think it's more of Sid being an incredible player/leader than it is some deficiency with Ovie. Both have incredible skills, but the intangibles certainly seem to be in Crosby's favor.
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