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re: NFL Referees Association has a message for the MSB
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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He's got a point but the his solutions are completely unrealistic.
It’s hard to tell since he’s such a prick, but it’s obvious to anyone with any knowledge in this area why a staff of guys 28-35 is not the solution for the NFL.
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:25 pm to 62zip
I think he wants to rotate new people in every 3-5 years, which means continuous training of new officials.
He doesn't even know how unrealistic that is. Finding quality, young(not the cutoff being 35) and retaining them with continuous training is the answer.
He doesn't even know how unrealistic that is. Finding quality, young(not the cutoff being 35) and retaining them with continuous training is the answer.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:26 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Don't waste your time with him. It's like arguing with a brick wall.
Typical know it all, condescending prick fanboy.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:27 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
An official should never be around for more than 10 years. For one, by then, he will be fading physically
For 2, the scar tissue and biases along the way are far too great to accept
And saying this is unrealistic is hilarious. They are a multiple billion dollar company. They could easily do what I am proposing
They don’t because they don’t care to
For 2, the scar tissue and biases along the way are far too great to accept
And saying this is unrealistic is hilarious. They are a multiple billion dollar company. They could easily do what I am proposing
They don’t because they don’t care to
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:28 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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I think he wants to rotate new people in every 3-5 years, which means continuous training of new officials.
He may and yes, that’s totally unworkable, but I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for him to say so, if that’s the case.
And I’m certain he doesn’t understand why 35 pretty much would have to be the low end, not the top.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:29 pm to 62zip
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Rotate whom? Rotate them how?
I’d be fine with having a high level officiating association for major conference football and the NFL and have them work all over the place in order to decrease any bias they may have. That almost certainly won’t happen and the rule changes would make it hard.
Ultimately I think if there were just more accountability, I don’t think thr officiating really has to get better for people to care less about the missed calls. The optics are horrible, however, when you watch terrible calls happen and you’re told over and over again how great the refs are by the people that could actually do something about it. Just acknowledging when they fricked up would fix 90% of the issue.
An example this year that drove me nuts was the South Carolina v LSU game this year. That crew was horrific that day for both teams, but they had two calls that took points off the board for the Cocks that ultimately kept them out of the playoff. The league office put out a statement that Monday backing them up after millions of people just watched the game. It’s insulting.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
There is just no fricking way anyone with a functioning brain can say this is the best the nfl can possibly put out. I refuse to beleive any human believes this is the pinnacle of person to call a game like football
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:34 pm to lsupride87
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An official should never be around for more than 10 years. For one, by then, he will be fading physically For 2, the scar tissue and biases along the way are far too great to accept And saying this is unrealistic is hilarious. They are a multiple billion dollar company. They could easily do what I am proposing They don’t because they don’t care to
Putting a 10 year cap is even more reason why full-time is not a realistic solution.
Additionally, I’m sure this is tough for you to grasp, but an official does not need to run a 4.3 40 to be in proper position. That’s what proper mechanics are for and that is what takes time to learn.
I’ve been calling football for almost 30 years and I’m far better now than I ever would have been 20 years ago even though I was much younger because you learn where you need to be via those mechanics and have the ability to be far better on positioning etc. than you do as a younger, quicker person.
Tell me some more about the “scar tissue and biases”
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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An example this year that drove me nuts was the South Carolina v LSU game this year. That crew was horrific that day for both teams, but they had two calls that took points off the board for the Cocks that ultimately kept them out of the playoff. The league office put out a statement that Monday backing them up after millions of people just watched the game. It’s insulting.
I’m assuming that you are talking about the horse-collar tackle on Nussmeier and the blind-side block on Nussmeier that negated pick sixes. Both of those calls were absolutely correct.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 4:40 pm to lsupride87
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There is just no fricking way anyone with a functioning brain can say this is the best the nfl can possibly put out. I refuse to beleive any human believes this is the pinnacle of person to call a game like football
They could certainly put seven 25 year old guys out there who look like marathoners, but that isn’t going to give you a better product.
The guys in the NFL are at the pinnacle - where do you think that 121 better guys are all of a sudden going to come from?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 5:03 pm to lsupride87
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An official should never be around for more than 10 years. For one, by then, he will be fading physically
Have you ever officiated any sporting event? How fit do you think a ref needs to be? Do you think the NFL has a physical fitness test? How is the fitness of current officials negatively impacting their performance?
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For 2, the scar tissue and biases along the way are far too great to accept
So you think 35 year old who’ve watched Mahomes his entire adult life isn’t going to have biases?
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And saying this is unrealistic is hilarious. They are a multiple billion dollar company. They could easily do what I am proposing
They could but there is no reason to expect officiating to be better because the refs are LESS experienced but more physically fit.
And again, how fit should they be? You’re not getting 4.4 40’s.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 5:21 pm to lsupride87
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An official should never be around for more than 10 years
Jesus.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
You want to keep bringing in new officials at the cost of having experience, which would only compound the issues that we already have.
Experience matters.
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/5/25 at 5:38 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
75% of nfl refs at any time has less than 10 years experience….So the 10 year mark is pretty much already being met….
Almost half the nfl refs have less than 5 years
Almost half the nfl refs have less than 5 years
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 2/5/25 at 6:05 pm to lsupride87
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75% of nfl refs at any time has less than 10 years experience
And therin lies the issue.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 6:13 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’d be fine with having a high level officiating association for major conference football and the NFL
This is actually done in CBB. There is no conference affiliation
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 2/5/25 at 6:18 pm to 62zip
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I’ve been calling football for almost 30 years
18 coming up for me.
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I’m far better now than I ever would have been 20 years ago even though I was much younger because you learn where you need to be via those mechanics and have the ability to be far better on positioning etc. than you do as a younger, quicker person.
Yep.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:20 pm to lsupride87
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75% of nfl refs at any time has less than 10 years experience….So the 10 year mark is pretty much already being met….
Wrong, it's 59/121 - 49%
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Almost half the nfl refs have less than 5 years
Wrong, it's 28/121 - 23%
Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:21 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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You want to keep bringing in new officials at the cost of having experience, which would only compound the issues that we already have.
Unless it has changed, you're not even eligible for a Super Bowl assignment until your sixth season.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:22 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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And therin lies the issue.
Well, apparently this genius thinks you can have a guy call a year or two of varsity, maybe a year or two in a Power 5 conference and then step right in to the NFL.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:30 pm to 62zip
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I’ve been calling football for almost 30 years and I’m far better now than I ever would have been 20 years ago even though I was much younger
I bet if this were measurable, this would be false.
One thing we definitely know, is you are part of the problem. You’re doing exactly what is wrong with officiating; you’re carrying their water at all costs independent of performance.
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