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Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:22 pm to deucedwo
The WEC and UFC should merge
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:22 pm to Maximus
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Maximus
don't let the thread title lead you to believe you were invited
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:23 pm to LSUgrasshopper
i just scrolled back through this and see cash is calling me a fig. t minus 5 minutes til i have him banned on TSD
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:24 pm to Maximus
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i just scrolled back through this and see cash is calling me a fig. t minus 5 minutes til i have him banned on TSD
That was Palm Beach Tiger.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:26 pm to coullion
I disagree. Someone pointed out in another thread that the smaller guys like Faber and Angel Miguel Torres get the promotion and backing they deserve by being in the WEC. As a seperate company, they're able to push a "different" product.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:26 pm to coullion
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The WEC and UFC should merge
I had thought Zuffa bought the WEC to be more of a minor league to UFC... looks like it's moving towards a merge. I kinda hope the WEC stays it's own thing for smaller guys with the smaller cage.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:27 pm to Shoulderchoke
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Wrestling - GSP
Jiu-Jitsu - Penn
I know it's a dumb question, but what's the difference?
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:27 pm to Cash
i haven't scrolled far back enough to see what he said but you posted a rainbow flag and should be recieving a pm from sonny anytime about giving out pay info
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:28 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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I had thought Zuffa bought the WEC to be more of a minor league to UFC...
They've always been protective of WEC to not portray that image. IMO, this is why you have seen very few TUF losers end up in WEC.
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looks like it's moving towards a merge.
I just think they are setting it up as a place to focus on and promote the smaller classes.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:29 pm to LSUlunatic
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I know it's a dumb question, but what's the difference?
Cash, Max or someone else could give you a better answer I'm sure, but wrestling would be more about control and position, where Jiu-Jitsu would concentrate more on advancing towards maneuvers/submissions (I think).
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:31 pm to deucedwo
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I kinda hope the WEC stays it's own thing for smaller guys with the smaller cage.
I never really thought about that - good point. I just wanted to see Faber and Torres fight more often - I don't have channel versus. And then the possibility of seeing Kid Yamamoto in the UFC made me
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:33 pm to LSUlunatic
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Wrestling - GSP
Jiu-Jitsu - Penn
I know it's a dumb question, but what's the difference?
not that dumb.
Wrestling is typically takedowns using shots to the legs.
Jitsu is more throws and submissions using the other fighters momentum.
There is plenty of room for overlap between wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu, and judo.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:36 pm to LSUlunatic
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Wrestling - GSP
Jiu-Jitsu - Penn
I know it's a dumb question, but what's the difference?
Both are grappling, along with Judo, Sambo and a few others, but the focus on different things.
High level-
Wrestling- take downs (single and double leg), take down defense, and controling(riding) a down opponent
BJJ- submissions, submission defense, advancing position(ie. from guard to half guard to side mount to full mount), sweeps(going from being on your back to on top)
BJJ guys will often drop to their back with the other guy on top because they feel they can either pull off a sub from their back or sweep.
You will never see a wrestler drop to his back.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:36 pm to deucedwo
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Cash, Max or someone else could give you a better answer I'm sure, but wrestling would be more about control and position, where Jiu-Jitsu would concentrate more on advancing towards maneuvers/submissions (I think).
yeah. wrestling is taking someone down, avoiding being taken down, keeping someone down when you're on top of them
jiu jitsu is submissions and moves to put yourself in a better position
obviously they go hand in hand but you have people like Mark Coleman who are awesome at wrestling and shitty at bjj. Nate Diaz, awesome at jiu jitsu but he's such a skinny frick he really can't wrestle great.
Penn has maybe the best jiu jitsu in mma, St Pierre has probably the best wrestling
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:40 pm to Maximus
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Penn has maybe the best jiu jitsu in mma, St Pierre has probably the best wrestling
damn. That just makes this fight seem even more epic than it already is.
thanks for all the info everyone
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:28 pm to Maximus
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Penn has maybe the best jiu jitsu in mma, St Pierre has probably the best wrestling
Yeah. GSP will be Hell to deal with onch B.J. is huffing and puffing. Penn will murder him until that point. TO me the whole fight will come down to B.J.'s stamina.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:32 pm to Cash
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Not sure I agree with this one. I'm giving it to BJ. - Cash
The reason why I scored it even is because GSP is very accurate with his kicks, we dont see that a lot from BJ. If it was on pure boxing, then clearly it would be BJ.
This post was edited on 1/28/09 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:36 pm to Shoulderchoke
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Jitsu is more throws and submissions using the other fighters momentum
Youre describing judo more than traditional or brazillian jiu-jitsu
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:40 pm to Shoulderchoke
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GSP is very accurate with his kicks
Matt Hughes disagrees.
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