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re: MMA - UFC 224 8pm FOX then PPV & Bellator 199 9pm Paramount, CMTV
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:41 am to PT24-7
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:41 am to PT24-7
Good point about the masking agent - however - I thought Novitzky said there was no known masking agent for that drug. Of course, that's exactly what you want in a masking agent, that it not be known. So....I don't know. Does Jones have connections with a crowd that would be likely to tap into such a thing?
I think the drug involved is a SARM, which is a pretty new drug class. So the masking agent is a legit possibility.
I think the drug involved is a SARM, which is a pretty new drug class. So the masking agent is a legit possibility.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:59 pm to starsandstripes
Despite everything being said to the contrary don’t forget who signs the Golden snitch’s checks now.......the ufc.
It’s definitely in the ufc’s Interest to get JJ back ASAP and the GS no longer works for USADA. He might not directly have power over anything USADA but he’s def using his past equity to control the JJ narrative.
And the fact that if he said there’s no known masking agent means nothing. The rules are there for precisely that reason. To protect from the currently undiscovered.
JJ has no evidence to support anything substantial as to why it was in his system and Rogan is preaching this tainted cocaine with tainted creatine story. It’s a ridiculous story that suggest his cocaine being tainted with creatine that was also tainted with steroids is more believable than a 3 time drug offender is dirty....again.
It’s definitely in the ufc’s Interest to get JJ back ASAP and the GS no longer works for USADA. He might not directly have power over anything USADA but he’s def using his past equity to control the JJ narrative.
And the fact that if he said there’s no known masking agent means nothing. The rules are there for precisely that reason. To protect from the currently undiscovered.
JJ has no evidence to support anything substantial as to why it was in his system and Rogan is preaching this tainted cocaine with tainted creatine story. It’s a ridiculous story that suggest his cocaine being tainted with creatine that was also tainted with steroids is more believable than a 3 time drug offender is dirty....again.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:53 pm to PT24-7
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Despite everything being said to the contrary don’t forget who signs the Golden snitch’s checks now.......the ufc.
Exactly.
Get this - Chuck Liddell is not just looking for a one fight deal with Tito. He wants some tune up fights to see how he performs and then he wants Jon Jones.
Holeeeeeeeee Sheeeeeeeeet
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:48 pm to starsandstripes
The only thing I think about that is chuck must be broke. I don’t think even I would watch a fight between those two, and I can’t think any commission would sanction it
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:52 pm to PT24-7
Long time rumors that money is an issue for him. He's still in shape and is training again. I'd watch him and Tito fight again. If he looks like a bag of arse, then I wouldn't watch again. But if he still has the skills, I'd watch him in subsequent fights. Would be interesting to see if the susceptibility to knock out dwindles with time, now that he's been out of the fight game for so long. It's an interesting physiological issue.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:59 pm to starsandstripes
I just don't see how it's possible. He looked terrible before he retired and since then has only gotten older and slower. Time is a fighter's worst enemy, esp an old fighter.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:53 pm to PT24-7
Time didn't seem to affect GSP in his last fight. Not saying I have high hopes for Chuck - but I'll definitely watch the Tito fight and go from there.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:04 pm to starsandstripes
Chuck's older and would let himself go between fights.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:24 pm to starsandstripes
Chuck was broke when Dana White basically told him he was done years ago. I remember some interviews or podcasts where Chuck said he needed to fight because he needed paydays.
You cant compare GSP to Chuck. GSP has always been obsessed health, nutrition, and supplementation. He was cutting edge of supplementation and health and human performance. In the early 2000's (GSP started in the UFC in 2002), Biotest was the best supplement company in the world (they actually still are) and their products were way ahead of their time. GSP became a spokesperson for them, wearing biotest gear in promotions and everywhere he could for free supplements from biotest. GSP was an absolute freak about nutrition and supplements. He monitored everything he ate (I read and followed his diet and exercise regimen back then before he was anyone in the t-mag forums). Biotest is also T-mag, formerly Muscle Media, formerly Muscle Media 2k, formerly EAS, experimental and applied sciences. They worked with GSP on his diet, training and supplementation way back when GSP got started and they had world class trainers, scientists and experts in a whole lot of fields relating to human performance nutrition, lifting, hormones, and steriods.
All of that said (and holy shite I rambled) to say GSP is like Lebron, a meticulous machine who has trained and fed his body meticulously for decades. His biological age is about 10 years less than his chronological age.
Chuck Liddell is the opposite. Liddell is done, he was done almost 10 years ago. Tito isnt a top 20 light heavyweight anymore (or maybe he barely is) and he will absolutely embarrass and destroy Chuck.
You cant compare GSP to Chuck. GSP has always been obsessed health, nutrition, and supplementation. He was cutting edge of supplementation and health and human performance. In the early 2000's (GSP started in the UFC in 2002), Biotest was the best supplement company in the world (they actually still are) and their products were way ahead of their time. GSP became a spokesperson for them, wearing biotest gear in promotions and everywhere he could for free supplements from biotest. GSP was an absolute freak about nutrition and supplements. He monitored everything he ate (I read and followed his diet and exercise regimen back then before he was anyone in the t-mag forums). Biotest is also T-mag, formerly Muscle Media, formerly Muscle Media 2k, formerly EAS, experimental and applied sciences. They worked with GSP on his diet, training and supplementation way back when GSP got started and they had world class trainers, scientists and experts in a whole lot of fields relating to human performance nutrition, lifting, hormones, and steriods.
All of that said (and holy shite I rambled) to say GSP is like Lebron, a meticulous machine who has trained and fed his body meticulously for decades. His biological age is about 10 years less than his chronological age.
Chuck Liddell is the opposite. Liddell is done, he was done almost 10 years ago. Tito isnt a top 20 light heavyweight anymore (or maybe he barely is) and he will absolutely embarrass and destroy Chuck.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Chuck was broke when Dana White basically told him he was done years ago. I remember some interviews or podcasts where Chuck said he needed to fight because he needed paydays.
You cant compare GSP to Chuck. GSP has always been obsessed health, nutrition, and supplementation. He was cutting edge of supplementation and health and human performance. In the early 2000's (GSP started in the UFC in 2002), Biotest was the best supplement company in the world (they actually still are) and their products were way ahead of their time. GSP became a spokesperson for them, wearing biotest gear in promotions and everywhere he could for free supplements from biotest. GSP was an absolute freak about nutrition and supplements. He monitored everything he ate (I read and followed his diet and exercise regimen back then before he was anyone in the t-mag forums). Biotest is also T-mag, formerly Muscle Media, formerly Muscle Media 2k, formerly EAS, experimental and applied sciences. They worked with GSP on his diet, training and supplementation way back when GSP got started and they had world class trainers, scientists and experts in a whole lot of fields relating to human performance nutrition, lifting, hormones, and steriods.
All of that said (and holy shite I rambled) to say GSP is like Lebron, a meticulous machine who has trained and fed his body meticulously for decades. His biological age is about 10 years less than his chronological age.
Chuck Liddell is the opposite. Liddell is done, he was done almost 10 years ago. Tito isnt a top 20 light heavyweight anymore (or maybe he barely is) and he will absolutely embarrass and destroy Chuck.
These are good points but basically you're saying that GSP mitigates the impact of time with a healthy lifestyle. If Chuck has done the same since retirement, then not only has he slowed the impact of time, in his case time may be to his advantage in that healing may have taken place. This is uncharted territory. About 30 years ago the field of sport and exercise related research, especially basic science aspects of it, was pushed to the side in favor of clinical research (in terms of funding). There are a ton of basic questions from this arena that are not investigated.
I'm not trying to take a shite on these counters to Chuck's return - I think all of us in this thread saw him go from dominant champ to battered has-been.
But, what we do know about the human body is that it remains plastic and capable of change from birth until death. Maybe the degradation in Chuck's performance is non-reversible. Maybe not. I'm really interested to see. My hunch is that he has a few more years where he will be less than his peak but better than the low point when he first retired.
Big picture - my honest opinion is that we're going to see Vitor and Chuck and maybe Tito all go to promotions with lax drug testing. All will get on TRT and all will look close to prime and it's going to stir up a huge debate about TRT.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:54 pm to starsandstripes
I'm probably being a bit harsh on Chuck and pessimistic. I was not an Iceman fan back in the day but I liked him and pulled for him over Tito every time. Pulled for him against Couture, then pulled for Rampage against him because I liked Rampage and Rashad Evans at the time.
Anyway, shite man if the money was decent, if I was Tito, chuck, victor, wanderlei, etc I would juice up for a nice 3-5 year final run at glory. Esp if I could make a couple of hundred k. Those guys need it. The UFC doesn't pay a lot now outside of superstars, but back in those guys prime, even as superstars, they didnt make bank. Especially Vitor and Vitor is one of my all time favorite fighters (well behind my favorite - the last emperor though).
Anyway, shite man if the money was decent, if I was Tito, chuck, victor, wanderlei, etc I would juice up for a nice 3-5 year final run at glory. Esp if I could make a couple of hundred k. Those guys need it. The UFC doesn't pay a lot now outside of superstars, but back in those guys prime, even as superstars, they didnt make bank. Especially Vitor and Vitor is one of my all time favorite fighters (well behind my favorite - the last emperor though).
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:01 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Chuck earned $4.4 mill just on reported salary and he was definitely getting ppv points at his peak. If he's broke it's his own fault. And he was an accounting grad.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:02 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Yeah, these guys like Vitor came along at a time when fighter pay was not anywhere near what it is now. They were begging states just to let them fight, begging newspapers to cover them at all and so on.
I would think they could make decent money now with coaching, seminars, and similar stuff. Not buying Rolex's but paying the bills for sure. But a few big paydays has to look attractive to them.
I would think they could make decent money now with coaching, seminars, and similar stuff. Not buying Rolex's but paying the bills for sure. But a few big paydays has to look attractive to them.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:16 pm to Maximus
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Chuck earned $4.4 mill just on reported salary and he was definitely getting ppv points at his peak. If he's broke it's his own fault. And he was an accounting grad.
Yeah, his fault but still, it's a bit different when you have a few years of extremely high income vs having it spread out (not to mention people splurging on expensive things when they suddenly have a good bit of money).
Here is an example.
Dude one makes 100k a year for 25 years, 2.5 million in total. His effective tax rate on that is going to be about 20% at the federal level so he took home 2 million.
Dude 2 makes 2.5 million in 1 year. His effective tax rate is going to be about 35%. He is going to take home $1.6M.
When you consider the 4.4 million and figure an effective tax rate between federal taxes (in a very high bracket), social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and state taxes, and spread it out over 30 years (Chucks career), he is taking home about $75k a year. Certainly respectable, but have to figure dude hasn't been taking home much for the past 10 years now.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:15 pm to Maximus
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Chuck earned $4.4 mill just on reported salary and he was definitely getting ppv points at his peak. If he's broke it's his own fault. And he was an accounting grad.
My question that I can never find an answer to is this: What does it cost to be a fighter in the UFC?
Coaches, travel, nutrition, nutritionist, corner, medical and so on.
How does that balance out against sponsorship and fight pay?
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