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re: MMA - UFC 224 8pm FOX then PPV & Bellator 199 9pm Paramount, CMTV
Posted on 5/13/18 at 7:42 pm to ctiger69
Posted on 5/13/18 at 7:42 pm to ctiger69
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Nunes is not marketable for the UFC. They need someone else to step up and beat her.
That won't happen any time soon.
I think she's just fine. UFC just needs to play to her strengths. She's a nice person, her English is getting better by the day, she is very skilled. Rose is getting much more popular and she stood in the octagon and said "let's all just be good people". It doesn't get more watered down than that. But she's doing well. They just need to find an angle.
Maybe UFC should try to get her to help with a podcast like once or twice a week to discuss MMA stuff and to provide instructional pieces on the podcast. They could get Chuck Liddell to co-host it (in order to keep him out of the fight game), or maybe Matt Sera. They could make it generalized or tailor it for kids or something. That might be something she could do that would be very cheap to make and may get her name out there. Just a random thought. Regardless, I'm sure there's an angle out there.
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Posted on 5/13/18 at 7:48 pm to lsucoonass
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I didn’t see last night but I know who won
What happened?
Video should start at right time 1:10
Pennington took an elbow or knee that may have broken her nose and gave her some issues breathing I think. At end of Rd4 she told her corner "I'm done". Corner said "No". She said "Yes. I want to be done." Corner said "No no no no no no" and then proceeded to tallk her out of it and send her back out. About 2 minutes into Rd5 her nose exploded, Mark Goddard then stopped the fight.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 7:58 pm to starsandstripes
Damn
Should have thrown in the towel unacceptable from her coaches
Should have thrown in the towel unacceptable from her coaches
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:08 pm to lsucoonass
Rocky defended her corner today. It wasn’t their decision for her to go out there in the 5th, it was ultimately hers. Though Brendan Shaun had a pretty good take on it IMO. The hysteria and butt hurt on social media last night was ridiculous. Talk about sexism, if it had been a man instead of a woman nobody would even be talking about this today.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:29 pm to starsandstripes
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Maybe UFC should try to get her to help with a podcast like once or twice a week to discuss MMA stuff and to provide instructional pieces on the podcast.
That wouldn't accomplish anything.
Only hardcore fans would watch that...and hardcore fans already follow her.
UFC and Nunes needs to figure out how to expand her fan base to the fringe fans.
Lose the stupid lion wig and call out Cyborg and market it as a fight against the 2 baddest bitches in the world.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:27 pm to theenemy
There’s no doubt in my mind that Nunes and Cyborg are both on PEDs. Looking at Nunes head/jaw and I’m thinking hgh
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:28 pm to PT24-7
Cyborg for sure since she already popped for roids in Strikeforce.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:33 pm to theenemy
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UFC and Nunes needs to figure out how to expand her fan base to the fringe fans.
Not everyone is gonna be a star. Not even winning in dominate fashion will make you a star. Ask mighty mouse. Fact is that she needs to be more worried about getting a big payday and the way for that to happen is to fight cyborg. She had nothing to lose in that fight and everything to gain.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:34 pm to ScrapPack
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. Talk about sexism, if it had been a man instead of a woman nobody would even be talking about this today.
I disagree. I think it would have been a big deal either way. Pennington was finished at that point.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:30 pm to diat150
The hysteria that sending her out there was taking years off her career was absurd. She had a busted up nose and it was hurting like hell getting hit in it. And I have no problem with her being done after the 4th. But, It wasn’t like she was about to die and the corner sent her back out there for Amanda to finish the job.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:53 pm to ScrapPack
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Rocky defended her corner today. It wasn’t their decision for her to go out there in the 5th, it was ultimately hers. Though Brendan Shaun had a pretty good take on it IMO. The hysteria and butt hurt on social media last night was ridiculous. Talk about sexism, if it had been a man instead of a woman nobody would even be talking about this today.
I would expect her to defend her corner. I think that will change over time.
Was it Schaub making the sexism comment? Miesha Tate tried that angle as well. I'm not buying that. It was both male and female fighters that lashed out at the corner. Hard to take anything from Schaub seriously these days. He's gone "hollywood".
Dominic and Tyron both said that if a fighter ever makes that type of comment - they're done. The mind isn't in it any longer and it's over. That has too much intuitive appeal for me to reject. And it doesn't seen at all tinged with sexism.
The corner should have called the ref over and told him it was done.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:59 pm to theenemy
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That wouldn't accomplish anything.
Only hardcore fans would watch that...and hardcore fans already follow her.
UFC and Nunes needs to figure out how to expand her fan base to the fringe fans.
Lose the stupid lion wig and call out Cyborg and market it as a fight against the 2 baddest bitches in the world.
The problem is that it's a niche promotion and another 'money fight'. It's certainly useful, but Amanda and the UFC need to find a better angle so things translate outside of that one fight.
My idea might be limited. You make a good point.
Maybe we all make too much out of this marketability thing. The UFC did pretty well on the backs of people like GSP, that were not self-sustaining hype trains, though he was a tremendous champ. Without the foundation that people like him had established, it would not have been possible for someone like Conor to emerge. And obviously Conor has transformed this equation. But maybe Conor is the exception that creates the rule.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:14 pm to PT24-7
Holly Holm has been tested 35 times; Cyborg 33; Nunes 24. My understanding is that Holly has the most tests of any female. This isn't professional cycling where enormous effort goes into gaming these blood and urine tests. Also, USADA pops people at ridiculously low levels and several times we've now seen fighters fight USADA and win. I don't think Cyborg or Nunes are on anything.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:18 pm to ScrapPack
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The hysteria that sending her out there was taking years off her career was absurd. She had a busted up nose and it was hurting like hell getting hit in it. And I have no problem with her being done after the 4th. But, It wasn’t like she was about to die and the corner sent her back out there for Amanda to finish the job.
I haven't seen this hysteria out there but I agree with you, it would be misplaced. I've been seeing people argue on the principles involved, and on that part I agree - corner should not have put her back out there. What should have sealed it, I believe, was her insistence that she was done.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:36 pm to starsandstripes
Speaking of theUSADA stuff. I was listening to the JRE and I think it was Pat Miletich. They were saying that Jon Jones tainted supplement excuse might have some validity. He had tested clean, then tested dirty shortly after with just a trace of the bad element he popped for. In a nutshell, if he was taking the thing he popped for, the levels would have to been much higher in order for it to have been a dose that would have been performance enhancing.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:50 pm to ScrapPack
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Speaking of theUSADA stuff. I was listening to the JRE and I think it was Pat Miletich. They were saying that Jon Jones tainted supplement excuse might have some validity. He had tested clean, then tested dirty shortly after with just a trace of the bad element he popped for. In a nutshell, if he was taking the thing he popped for, the levels would have to been much higher in order for it to have been a dose that would have been performance enhancing.
Joe has been saying this for a while and it stems from a conversation he had with The Golden Snitch I think - they were talking about the drug, its profile, how long it stays in the system and so forth. Essentially it stays in for a long time. They detected very small amounts, sandwiched between two clean samples not far apart in time. Most logical explanation is a tainted item like a supplement.
Jones has to be smarter though. There are ways for him to mitigate getting tainted stuff. I don't know how much money he's lost from not being able to fight and having legal bills, but it has to be quite a bit by now.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:09 am to starsandstripes
If I were him I would only get supplements from the most reputable US based labs. Not sure when his hearing is. He had the CSAC one already.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:06 am to ScrapPack
I believe USADA publishes a list of supplements they've tested and determined to be clean - or something like that. If an athlete uses those (and can demonstrate that I suppose), it's supposed to be a big factor in their favor if they pop.
I personally think USADA is a bit too onerous. Positive results for such trace amounts and beating on doors at 3am for samples seems excessive. I can't remember who, but there was a guy who just got his name cleared after a long battle with USADA. There's no mechanism for him to get back those legal fees, lab fees, expert witness fees, lost wages etc.
I personally think USADA is a bit too onerous. Positive results for such trace amounts and beating on doors at 3am for samples seems excessive. I can't remember who, but there was a guy who just got his name cleared after a long battle with USADA. There's no mechanism for him to get back those legal fees, lab fees, expert witness fees, lost wages etc.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:18 am to starsandstripes
I agree. Wish the UFC would go to some kind of common sense alternative to USADA. I don’t know what the answer is, but think the current system is garbage.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:13 am to ScrapPack
I like Joe Rogan but he’s missing a major part of the puzzle on the JJ failed test. There’s also a huge possibility of another option and it’s never been mentioned. Also might explain why JJ has not had any good excuses for failing.
The reason for the clean, positive, clean test was most likely due to a missed or faulty masking agent. People not familiar with this don’t realize that the measures in place for situations such as this is because they know there’s stuff out there guys are using that they don’t even know about yet.
JJ was most likely taking this stuff all along and missed a day of taking his masking agent and that’s what allowed the trace amounts to show. Then gets back to taking it and passes again. In the PED game the doping tech is usually 5-10 years ahead of the testing. It’s a constantly evolving process
The reason for the clean, positive, clean test was most likely due to a missed or faulty masking agent. People not familiar with this don’t realize that the measures in place for situations such as this is because they know there’s stuff out there guys are using that they don’t even know about yet.
JJ was most likely taking this stuff all along and missed a day of taking his masking agent and that’s what allowed the trace amounts to show. Then gets back to taking it and passes again. In the PED game the doping tech is usually 5-10 years ahead of the testing. It’s a constantly evolving process
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